Who Do You Want to Win Wimbledon?

I thought with the midweek break it would be a good time to quickly explore something that may be on many people’s minds. I have been asked before who I’d want to win Wimbledon if we have another Djokovic vs Federer final. Neither of them may make the final, but I still think it’s an interesting topic. Of course, all Fedfans won’t think twice about who they want to win the title. No doubt an eighth Wimbledon title would be the fairytale ending that they always dreamed of for their man.

And for a long time it was the ending I wanted myself. Not that I am now all of a sudden completely against it. Any real tennis fan would be able to appreciate a record eighth Wimbledon title. It would indeed be something special and could seal the GOAT debate to a large extent. The criticism of Federer has always been the fact that he is owned by his main rival in the head-to-head. But with Nadal’s game in the state that it is in he can make a big statement by winning a record eighth Wimbledon title and in doing so go four slams clear of Nadal.

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A lot of people are saying that Federer is the most successful player of all time(you can’t deny the numbers), but that he is not the best player since Nadal owns him in the head-to-head and has a better head-to-head against the rest of the big four too. I think that argument holds a certain amount of water but Nadal surely can’t be considered a better player than Federer in light of his unbalanced slam resume, the fact that he never won the World Tour Finals, and the fact that he has never defended a title off of clay.

He is simply too reliant on one surface and too one-dimensional for any knowledgeable tennis fan to crown him the GOAT at this stage. And things aren’t looking good for him right now. He looks done winning slams. And winning a record eighth slam at the most prestigious tournament in the world is definitely not going to hurt Federer in the GOAT debate.

  • Along Comes Djokovic

At this stage, Federer has his GOAT claim intact thanks to two men, himself and Novak Djokovic. This is the part that Fedfans don’t want to admit but can’t deny. Djokovic 2.0 came along in the nick of time for Federer in 2011 to prevent Nadal from winning three straight slams which would have left Nadal equal with Federer and as the GOAT given his head-to-head record with Federer. In doing so, Djokovic has also been able to do something Federer never could, which was to conquer Nadal.

From 2011-12, he defeated Nadal in seven straight finals which included three slam finals. This year he also defeated Nadal at the French Open, which means he has the career slam in Nadal defeats. Federer, on the other hand, only ever managed to defeat Nadal on grass in a slam. Given all these facts, I really couldn’t care less if Federer does not win Wimbledon this year and Djokovic wins it instead. In fact, I hope that happens. If Federer wins it I’m not going to complain.

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It’s still going to be a great moment in the sport and I will be happy for him. But for me Djokovic deserves it more. Note I said FOR ME, so I don’t want to hear any more silly arguments about deserving. Whoever wins the tournament will have deserved it, but I can still say right now that I feel Djokovic deserves it more. Personally I just wanted Federer to remain three slams ahead of Nadal and since Nadal lost at the French it’s not that important to me anymore that he wins Wimbledon.

Federer and Nadal have both won enough. I think it would be more fitting if Djokovic wins Wimbledon after once again being the one to stop Nadal at the French from winning another slam and thereby helping Federer. Federer doesn’t deserve to have it both ways. Since Djokovic is the one who has the balls to defeat Nadal he can have Wimbledon. There is just no way that any objective tennis fan(not Fedfans) can conclude that Federer deserves the Wimbledon title more than Djokovic.

Maybe if Federer defeated Nadal in the semis that would be a different story, but Nadal lost so that is not possible anymore.

  • The Bottom Line

The bottom line is that whoever wins the title deserves to win it. Saying that I think Djokovic deserves it more will not matter in the least to Fedfans if Federer wins Wimbledon. In fact, they will probably come here and gloat. But that wouldn’t matter in the least to me either. It wouldn’t change the fact that Djokovic succeeded where Federer failed and that Federer could never overcome his biggest fear and rival. I don’t say any of this to get under anyone’s skin. I just wanted to make my stance clear.

I want people to know where I stand before this all important Wimbledon goes into the second week. I feel like I am in a good position compared to where I used to be anyway. As fanatical as I used to be I would probably have been devastated if Federer didn’t win Wimbledon this year, knowing that it is more than likely his last chance. But now that I am more balanced and objective it doesn’t matter to me either way. If he wins it I will be happy for him. If not, I will be just as happy.

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Federer and Murray have dropped sets

Murray can win it for all I care. But I would prefer Djokovic after what happened again at the French. He did what only one other man could do in 11 years and yet his draw was so ridiculously tough that he never stood a chance of winning the title. So since Nadal did not win the French I’d like Djokovic to win Wimbledon. We will see what happens. Both of them are playing well, but both could lose before the final. I am just glad to be rid of the fanatical expectations and the disappointment if Federer should fail to win Wimbledon yet again.

Can you imagine the disappointment of the fanatics if Federer should lose to Bautista Agut, Berdych, Murray, or Djokovic in another five-set thriller? I hope it doesn’t happen to them, but they shouldn’t come look for sympathy here if it happens either. I’m gonna be happy with whoever wins, but more so if it is Djokovic. And there are many spoiled Fedfans out there too who I don’t think deserves another slam.

Now let the fun begin! And remember to make a prediction for tomorrow if you haven’t yet!  :-bd

The is in your court.

Posted in Grand Slams, Wimbledon.

49 Comments

  1. Great overview, Ruan! I also think Djokovic deserves it more than Federer, mostly for his brave behaviour after losing the FO final against Stan. I admire great losers even more than great players, because it takes a lot to really feel grateful for your opponent, after he took what you wanted so badly for such a long time. It’s heroic. I’m also cool with Fed and Dull winning no more slams. Actually i’m tired of it, because they won enough, just like you mentioned. If it’s up to me, i want to see new slam winners. Therefore i’d like Kyrgios to win it. It’s a good moment for a mounting of the guard. But i would also be happy for Murray, just because i like the guy a lot and i respect how he came back after his back surgery. Cheers :-)

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Thanks, FT! Interesting that you should mention the changing of the guard. Actually Kyrgios is very dangerous on grass as he showed last year already and it’s not entirely impossible that he could win it. I wouldn’t mind as I like him and he is good enough. But there is still a question mark about his dedication. He seems careless at times. We’ll soon find out!

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  2. Ruan!! If u ask me who deserves to win it its Djokovic. But d reason is not bcoz he is d reason Nadal is not winning slams, but bcoz Djokovic really worked hard and he is playing d best tennis of his career and he is above everyone right now.He for sure deserved to win d elusive French open but after d disappointment I would b happy if he lifts d Wimbledon trophy.
    But I will b cheering Federer as always..he has given b so many great memories and I want him to enjoy n smile d last few years he is on the tour..but I don’t want him to win it easily but I will want him to defeat djokovic n get it for me.
    But I don’t know if it will come true but Wimbledon is his best chance I believe he has d chances.
    Also I believe Federer is a more complete player n he is capable of beating djokovic..but he can’t beat nadal that I have accepted..but djokovic can beat nadal..its more a match up thing.
    N one more thing even him nadal crosses federers slams which is impossible as of now…federer will still b d better player ..he is d genius , he is d artist..no one is like him.
    N finally only bcoz u have to put a point strongly that djokovic deserves it more I don’t think its fair that u say its wrong if fedfans support Fed..thats what a fan will do…for something to b good, other thing don’t have to b bad..both can exist together that’s what I believe..

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Yes, you are totally right Denis. I never said Fedfans can’t support Federer though, and neither do I expect them to. I just wanted people to understand why I support Djokovic. No doubt it would be an amazing effort if Federer can lift the title this year and I will be happy. And yes, the matchup is better for Djokovic but it doesn’t change the Fedal h2h and it shows Djokovic has more fight and courage than Federer. But yeah, Federer is no doubt the genius and the best.

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  3. Ru-an you said it simply and best right here. The bottom line is that whoever wins the title deserves to win it”. And I agree with that more than anything. As I do believe it is likely Fed’s last slam hope, I for one, would thoroughly enjoy watching him rise to the occasion and keep it all together long enough to raise the trophy. If anyone DESERVES it, which I think is questionable, it is undoubtedly Djokovic. He’s by far the best in the world and should be studied and revered by all who strive for excellence in any walk of life. The guy is just inspirational to me in the way he NEVER stops improving himself in every single aspect of his life and profession. Kyrgios does not deserve it, I’d rather see Stan cement his place in tennis history with a respectable 3. For some reason I couldn’t care either way about Murray but he’s certainly a rightful contender. Happy 4th everyone!

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Hey Eirc, welcome back! Yes, it would be nice if Fed wins it. He certainly deserves it as well if he can get it done at age 34.

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    Eric Reply:

    Thank you Ru-an. No matter how quiet I am I always read every post of yours. Always. Just super busy and feel silly commenting days late when irrelevant. Took a break this holiday weekend and wanted to say hi. Cheers and enjoy Wimby!

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  4. I want either Federer or Djokovic to win. I don’t want Nadal to catch up to Federer in major titles won but I feel that Fed’s record is safe especially with Nadal playing the way he is now. (Of course, as our host Ruan always reminds us, we shouldn’t rule out anything when it comes to Nadal). I guess if I were forced to choose I’d go with Djokovic because I feel he isn’t treated with the same respect as other champions. I don’t know if it is his personality or nationality – I’m old enough to remember Zola Budd being subjected to all kinds of irrational hate because of her nationality – but it bothers me the way crowds always cheer against him. What has he done to deserve this animosity?

    I suppose being of Scottish background I should want Murray to win but I just don’t like his completely defensive style of tennis and don’t want it to be successful. Like the boring big serving contests of the 90s I think his style of tennis is bad for the sport.

    Outside of the main guys I guess I’d go for the underachieving Berdych. I know, I know. I’d like to see him win one major in his career but, frankly, I’d be shocked if it happened. Even when he loses big matches he doesn’t seem all that bothered. Not exactly the sign of a champion.

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Hey, Andrew. I am old enough to remember Zola Budd too and I’m from South Africa. Seems like a very long time ago! I’m the same as you. I want either Djokovic or Federer to win. I hope anyone did not get the impression that I don’t want Federer to win. I just want it a little more for Djokovic!

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  5. Here we go, again! I will abstain from getting into an argument with Ru-an on this one simply because he is right that Roger could lose again and than the dream will be all over. Fedfans (not FedFanatics) will look silly and it would just be devastating. Ru-an is right about that. I agree with him. I also agree that Djokovic has helped Roger too but I think that Novak respects Roger more that he respects Nadal. The thing about H2H is that they are not that important.

    If they were, we can say that Nadal is now owned by Davydenko and Dustin Brown. Come on. We know that he is a much better and more successful player than they are. It actually speaks more about the relationship between Roger and Rafa. When Roger was down, it was Rafa that spoke kind words saying that Roger will be back. This year Roger is saying kind words for Nadal. Maybe “Fedal” is trying to hold on just a bit longer.

    I agree in a way that if Roger fails here, the “Fedal” era may very much be over.

    I suppose that all of the top contenders see that they have a shot at winning and believe that it is their time. But I can’t deny that I truly want Roger to win. I will not use the word “deserve”. It’s more of a wish and certainly an epic way to finish. Roger has been blessed so far to always get the best wins in the most important moments in order to solidify his claim to the Throne. He has also been in crushing losses no doubt. I’d like to hope that he has one more in him. I hope it will be here an now. He’ll need some help. He’ll need to play great and really get things to fall his way in order to get it done. He’s not invincible but in tennis you don’t have to be and you can still do it. With a little bit of luck.

    We’ll see.

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Yes, Hilda, it’s hard to see Fedal winning more slams if Federer fails here. It also depends on how he goes out if he does. But I guess it is not entirely outside of the realm of possibility that he could win it in 2016. He is getting older all the time though and it’s just getting a little harder every year so probably this is his last chance.

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  6. How come every year people say this is Federer’s last chance to win Wimbledon? :-)

    I think Federer is something of a dark horse here, and I think he kind of sees it that way himself, and he looks like he’s playing quite freely without a lot of pressure to me.

    I agree with Ru-an that Djokovic seems to “deserve” to win this one, because of what’s happened in the last couple of months. But then again, if Stan manages to pull of the Roland Garros-Wimbledon double, something that only Fed/Nadal have pulled off in recent memory, that would be epic, and might even be a more spectacular tennis story than a fairy tale 8th wimby for Fed. And in fact, if that were to happen (not likely) then the comparison between Stan and Andy Murray would become real interesting — Stan would actually have more Grand Slam titles, and we’d have to question whether Murray is a legitimate member of the so-called “Big Four.”

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Yesh we will see with Stan Albert. When was the last time he played two good tournaments after the other? And I’m not sold on his grass court game just yet. We will see.

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  7. I mostly agree with you Ruan. But I think they both deserve it equally. I dont think Djoker is a great grass player. Its just that they have slowed the grass so much that he dosent need to change his game one bit. I think Fed would have won if the grass would have been at its right pace and bounce. And Fed is d only player in this generation who could have won the carrer slam in any era. Nadal and Djoko just dont need to make changes to their game ever. While Fed made that change from when he played Sampras at Wimbeldon. Of course its not Djokers fault. But I just dont think he wud have had a chance on faster grass against Fed. Given all these factors and well in to he’s 30’s Fed is still competing so hard. So I wuld have to say they both deserve it equally.

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Yeah like I said to someone else deserve doesn’t matter here since if Fed does it at 34 he would have deserved it as much as anyone. I just want Fedfans to understand that Federer doesn’t deserve it more than anyone. Sometimes I get the feeling Fedfans think Federer is somehow entitled to another Wimbledon title, which is nonsense.

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  8. As a Fedfan I obviously want Roger more than anyone else to win here, even more so after the tough loss in the final last year. I know it was a match that Novak probably should have won in 4 sets anyway, but it went to 5 sets and it was a bitter loss to swallow. If Roger can’t do it I’m rooting for Murray. Not because I’m much of a fan or anything, it’s because I do believe he needs it more badly than the other top dogs. After he won his first two slams he broke a huge barrier and I assumed he would reel in more slams from then onwards. That didn’t happen, and now it kinda seems like he has to break the same barrier again. I hope he can do it because I think it’s good for the sport to have him back at his best.

    I’ve also gained a lot of appreciation for Djokovic. He won the appreciation of many Fedfans when he completely dominated Nadal during his unbelievable run in 2011, but that is a false form of appreciation. I admit I felt the same way myself, but since then I’ve gained a more sincere appreciation for the Djoker. I wouldn’t go as far as to say I’m a fan, but I’m thankful for the many thrilling hours of tennis he has provided.

    A lot of people want the Djoker him to win here after that tough loss in Paris, and I understand that. However, I don’t really see it that way. French Open and Wimbledon are two very different things. FO is the one big hole in his CV, the one tournament I’d imagine he wants the most, and winning Wimbledon is not going to change that. The only thing that can make up for the loss at French Open is actually winning French Open, and that’s something I really hope he can do next year. But this is Wimbledon, he’s not chasing a title here or making up for something, he’s the defending champion. That’s how I see it. He doesn’t really “need” to win here again. If he does, then all credits to him. However, if he doesn’t defend his title it’s not the end of world either. There will be many more opportunities, I’m sure.

    Aside from Djokovic, Murray and Federer it’s hard to imagine anyone else taking the title here. But I didn’t expect Stan to win in Paris either, so you never know.

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Hey, BE. I agree that it would be great for Murray to win it. It would be kind of a great story, even though I’m not a big fan. I wouldn’t say appreciating what Djokovic did in 2011 is a false form of appreciation. I think it’s the opposite. He did something Federer couldn’t dream of doing, so I think that deserves all the appreciation it gets, especially from Fedfans. If they think Federer is that great then they should be able to appreciate how difficult it is to beat Nadal in three straight slams finals.

    For me personally that was where Djokovic won me over. I still watch highlights of those three slam finals. It was amazing to see Djokovic basically break the back of the monster over a period of about 6 months. Sure Nadal won 4 slams after but otherwise he would be on 17 now and the GOAT. So I feel forever indebted to Djokovic for doing the tennis world that huge favor. In that time, he also stopped Nadal from winning a much needed WTF and stopped him from winning many a Masters over the years.

    About Djokovic winning Wimbledon it would go a long way towards making up for that FO loss. I agree that the FO is the one he really wants but winning Wimby right after that big disappointment will be the best way to make him feel better. He doesn’t want another FO loss to linger too long in his mind and after the year he’s had he doesn’t want to let another slam get away. He must win them while he’s at his best.

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  9. I’d love seeing Federer, Murray or Djokovic winning, or even Wawrinka if that is a possibility. Given the way the draw is panning out, it would be quite weird if anyone else won.

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  10. Hi Ru-an, are you doing predictions for the fifth set with Anderson Djokovic? If so I’ll take Novak 6-2, will copy & paste this to the predictions page just in case you don’t see it.

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    Ru-an Reply:

    No, there will be no predictions for the final set Charlie.

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    Hilda Reply:

    This is going to be tight. I almost think the break will benefit Anderson. He will get his head together and hopefully finish the job. Novak is very difficult to beat though and he has already come back three times before from 2 sets down to win. If they continued to play, all the momentum was with Novak.

    Maybe, now, Ru-an’a fellow countryman (the one which Ru-an has even practiced with in the past) might be able to beat the World Number 1 at Wimbledon! What a feat that would be, huh! ;-)

    Today was a great day for Roger’s fans. He won comfortably in straights and looked great. Simon bear Berdych although I predict a tough one on Wednesday even though I suspect that Roger will come out super focused and hopefully get it done in 3 or 4.

    Murray got scared by Dr. I I and dropped another set. And now Novak is on the brink, and even if he wins, he gets Cilic. Battered and bruised – that’s all we can ask for.

    Obviously, Roger is in good position. The Simon match will be very telling. Simon took out Monfils and Berdych. If Roger takes him out and convincingly – to me he’s got to be feeling REALLY good about his chances. If Djokovic goes out, then his chances will improve even more.

    Murray is playing good but he has 2 big weaknesses:

    1. His second serve is not good enough.

    2. He is still standing back and not getting to the net.

    That combined with the fact that Roger has YET to be broken, I don’t know. I don’t want to get over excited. I wanna see how Roger fares against Simon first.

    And hopefully if Murray and Roger get to play, Roger will feel good because he’ll have the memories of the 6:0 6:1 last meating and also the fact that they haven’t met this year still will actually favor Roger, I think. Plus, Pospisil can snatch another set still.

    And let’s not forget about Wawrinka and Gasquet. And Kyrgios got brushed aside too – sonehow I got a little satisfaction in that too… :-)

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    Ru-an Reply:

    You know you are supposed to be banned Vily. Then you come here and act like Roger accomplished something by beating RBA and that Simon will be a difficult opponent on grass. You never learn. I’ll tell you what. If Djokovic wins tomorrow I will ban this account of yours too.

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    Hilda Reply:

    Oh, come on!

    You know that I only wish Novak to lose only because it would help with Roger’s chances. I have nothing personal against Djokovic. If he wins tomorrow, I would be the first to congratulate him.

    As far as Roger, you have to admit that it was a good day. Berdych is out. Karlovic took a set off Murray and Cilic went through to test Djokovic. Wawrinka also prevailed.

    As far as the accusations, I don’t get it. I am not trying to offend anyone. It is true that I sympathize with Vily but if he is banned, how am I supposed to get associated with him. Anyway.

    Let the best man win. I actually thought that you would be happy for Anderson. He basically 2 sets and may actually pull it out.. What’s wrong with that?

    And I don’t claim to be an expert but actually I do believe that Simon will test Roger. Anyone that assumes that Roger will just have his way with is either way smarter than me or know something that I don’t. Maybe you can enlighten us. I’d rather take the conservative approach and be pleasantly surprised rather than expect a victory and then get ultra disappointed. The last 2 meetings were very tight…

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Well, if you are not Vily then I apologize, but there are big similarities and Vily is always creating new accounts to try and access my blog. If you are not Vily then I don’t have a problem with you.

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    Pet Raa Reply:

    Ruan,

    This comment will surely get me banned, but I must say that for someone who is so concerned about fairness and balance in the comments made by others, you are not that good at following your own rules. Of course, this is your blog and you get to choose what to say and all, but your response to Hilda’s first comment was an over-reaction bordering on rudeness. There was nothing in Hilda’s comment to deserve such a reply, and I say this as an ardent Novak fan. I had exaggerated my Novak love just a little for the sake of humour, but I do not feel comfortable commenting further on this blog. Wish you all the best.

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Poor troll attempt. I guess it really hurt you when I was objective and didn’t want to fall for your disrespectful and biased comments toward Federer. You were under the delusion that has now turned into a Djokovic fan blog =)) But yeah, I don’t want anything more to do with that kind of immaturity and weakness.

    Don’t ever tell me how to run my blog or act like you know what is going on between me and Vily. That will get you a permanent ban in no time.

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    Pet Raa Reply:

    “I guess it really hurt you when I was objective and didn’t want to fall for your disrespectful and biased comments toward Federer.”

    Incorrect, I don’t lie. No reason to get hurt by such silly things, you just don’t get my humour.
    Your objectivity (after the name change, at least) is all over the place.

    “Don’t ever tell me how to run my blog or act like you know what is going on between me and Vily.”

    Comment was about Hilda, not Vily. Don’t know who Vily is. Don’t care who Vily is. Not even why Vily is so vilified on this blog. Savvy?

    “That will get you a permanent ban in no time.”

    Alas, the internet lets you run your own fiefdom, with no concern for objectivity or good manners.

    Happy banning, at least gives you a sense of control over things! Psychology 101.

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    Ru-an Reply:

    ‘Incorrect, I don’t lie. No reason to get hurt by such silly things, you just don’t get my humour.
    Your objectivity (after the name change, at least) is all over the place.’

    Hurt? Are you high? You were talking about Federer not me. It’s called objectivity. My objectivity is much better than before. The fact that you think I was more objective before shows me how clueless you are and makes me think even more that you are a biased Djokovic fanboy.

    ‘Comment was about Hilda, not Vily. Don’t know who Vily is. Don’t care who Vily is. Not even why Vily is so vilified on this blog. Savvy?’

    You are a clown. You don’t know who Vily is and yet you have the balls to tell me how to run my blog. Here’s a hint: Vily is someone who is banned for very good reasons and uses different IP’s and email addresses to try and comment on my blog. Also, a very similar writing style to Hilda. Savvy?

    ‘Alas, the internet lets you run your own fiefdom, with no concern for objectivity or good manners.

    Happy banning, at least gives you a sense of control over things! Psychology 101.’

    You are right, the internet does let you run your own show, which is great because you don’t have to tolerate biased fanboy idiots who tell you how to run things even though they have no clue what the full story is. Objectivity 101. Bye now :-h

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  11. I dont understand your premise.
    Djokovic beat a fading(faded) nadal at FO so he deserves Wimby??
    How does that make any sense.Maybe Fognini does too then.
    Yes Djoker stopped nadal from catching up with federer in slams. But should’nt fed be the one leading the charge to protect his legacy rather than have some one else do it and then let him take a prize for the help.

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    Joe Reply:

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    I suppose this kind of thinking comes from the idea that a tennis match is nothing more than a boxing match between two players, when in fact the wins that count historically are tournament wins in which many players compete, wherein some players had to go seven rounds in the previous tournament, while some washed out in the first round and are considerably more rested. This is one reason we see more upsets at the US Open, IMHO.

    And yes, despite the matchup issues, Roger played Nadal at RG when Nadal was at his peak. But Djokovic has done the same, and with honor, even though Nadal didn’t give him that chance this year.

    Could Borg have won more titles in McEnroe’s absence? Definitely. But would they have meant as much? Could McEnroe have won more without Lendl? Yes! Could Borg, McEnroe, Lendl, and Connors have won more if some of the other players in this list weren’t in the picture?

    Everyone tries hard to win. Everyone has to face any player in front of him, unlike boxing. And everyone who wins keeps others from winning! Everyone fights in an environment in which there are many incredibly talented and dedicated players, and in which there are players that match up favorably against them, and whom they have to play on a given day, whether they’re having a good day or not.

    This is today’s professional tennis environment; an environment in which no one can truly protect any legacy but his own.

    Djokovic is not protecting Roger’s legacy any more than the other tennis players who are working their () off; any more than Wawrinka, Murray, Cilic, Del Potro, etc. Does anyone expect these players to bow to Nadal when Roger is not playing?

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    Ru-an Reply:

    I missed your comment, anchit. No one deserves anything. I shouldn’t even have said that. I basically just said to counter the view that some Fedfans have that Federer deserves to win Wimbledon. And I don’t care how much Nadal has faded. He was still a big threat at the FO and Federer’s own favorite to win the title. Moreover, Federer would not have been able to beat him. Djokovic did it in straight sets however, despite the emotional burden of having suffered many heartbreaking losses to Nadal at the FO. Again he did something Federer could never do which was to come back from an even tougher loss than the AO 2009 final(the 2013 FO SF) to defeat Nadal.

    ‘But should’nt fed be the one leading the charge to protect his legacy rather than have someone else do it and then let him take a prize for the help.’

    Yes, Federer should be doing that but he couldn’t, and I’m not saying he should now give the prize to Djokovic. All I’m saying is that in my mind Djokovic deserves the Wimbledon title for that reason more than Federer. But Federer may well win it which is why deserve doesn’t matter.

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  12. You guys are underpestimating Simon, but let us not forget that the situation is becoming something like USOpen 2014 when Cilic defeated Simon in 5 tight sets before playing Berdych after which he did not drop a set. What if Simon goes on tear like Cilic at USOpen because as per the score socalled bogeyman for Federer was beaten soundly by Simon. Hopefully everybody recalls that it was Simon who was the winner of the first two encounters with Federer and that Simon pushed Federer at AO and FO in the past and even in Shanghai Masters last year he was a tougher opponent for Federer than even Djokovic.

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    Joe Reply:

    Hey Mridul1,

    Roger is playing well right now, and he’s very determined, but I think you are right not to take the match against Simon for granted. He can definitely bring some high-quality tennis, and Roger may need two five-setters in the last round to bring the trophy home (of course I’m not assuming that’s going to happen). But I hope he’ll play some of his best against Simon tomorrow, but still have something left in the tank.

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  13. I guess discussing who deserves to win Wimbledon (or any title, for that matter) is a rather moot point. If some second or even third tier player wins it, then he will deserve it, too…because it will also mean the first tier players are playing far below their standards and hence undeserving of the title. Yes, they will have won it by a great degree of luck…but they deserve the title nonetheless.

    If one is looking at form, Djokovic is the most likely to win the title. It will also be a nice conclusion to this Wimbledon. However, for this one last time…I will lean towards Roger winning it due to historical & romantic considerations. It can be a nice setup for him to sail into the retirement sunset peacefully, having been the only man to win Wimby 8x. And realistically, this is very very likely to be his last chance to win a slam. I just want to savor that feeling one more time as a fan.

    If there could be 2 winners, I’d love the Djoker & Roger to win it. The Djoker for showing tremendous heart in tough loss, and for the hope he gets stronger for the years to come…while Roger for the feelings I explained above.

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Good post, Jason. Same for me. Either Djokovic or Federer winning it would be nice. But I think Federer will win it. There is a sense of destiny about it again, and now Djokovic could already fall to Anderson.

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  14. Congrats to Novak. He survived. Anderson kinda ckoked a little bit. 15:40 2 break points and couldn’t convert. Than he served 2 double faults. Finally after getting 0:30 on Novak’s serve, sent 2 or 3 second serve returns wide.

    Novak is very much still alive and can still win it. Oh well… It won’t get easy for Roger, I suppose. He still has to play great to make it to the final and play even better to win it. But oh well…

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Easy match next for Federer vs Simon. Murray could be tough though, and I’m sure Stan will help him out by defeating Djokovic. But if Djokovic is playing anything like he played vs Anderson he is losing to Cilic. The only reason he won was due to a never-in-doubt choke from the biggest choker on tour.

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    Matt Reply:

    Hilda,
    Roger should glide into the semi-final and SHOULD beat Murray who looks and plays like a clutz. Roger SHOULD beat Murray. Has to. Murray is a mess.

    Stan and Novak should reach their match-up and it’s tough not to like Stan, especially the way Djoker played vs. the South African.

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Yeah, but tennis is tough to predict Matt. Stan could lose to Gasquet and Murray could beat Federer. You just never know.

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  15. Ru-an, I can see why you’re so frustrated with your countryman. He does have talent (not just a big serve, but great groundstrokes), but just can’t play clutch in the important moments. Didn’t seem to realize that he had to break Djokovic to win since there are no final-set tiebreakers at Wimbledon. You’d think he’d have used the break to regroup mentally, but he didn’t seem to be able do so.

    Shockingly for a man with the reputation as the best returner in men’s tennis, Djokovic has trouble with big servers sometimes–witness a couple of losses to Isner on HC, and his losing to Karlovic in Doha. Federer or Murray use soft bunt returns against the big servers, but Djokovic tends to return with power and so his opponent can use that pace against him.

    Federer’s not been broken in 106 service games, beginning with the second round of Halle, and has faced only 2 break points overall in this tournament. His only dropped set was on a double fault in a tiebreaker against a big server, so I’d say he’s doing pretty well! It’s not just his serving, but his movement and return game that are all on.

    Simon is an elite returner, so one can expect the streak of service holds to come to an end. He’s also playing great and Federer has been forced to go the distance every time they’ve faced off in Grand Slams. Still, grass is the surface where Federer can most effectively take time away from Simon with first-strike tennis and by coming to net, and use his variety to break up the baseline rallies. Hopefully he can get the job done without expending too much energy.

    Cilic is a bit of an enigma, as we have no idea how well he’s really playing. He’s perfectly capable of beating Djokovic, assuming he’s in the form he displayed in New York last year. I don’t much care about the H2H–he had a lousy H2H against Berdych, Federer, and Nishikori and didn’t drop a set against any of them on his way to the title in Flushing Meadows. He took Djokovic to five sets last year. It depends on his serve–if he’s serving great, then he’ll have his chances to beat Djokovic.

    The fact that he played a couple of five-setters doesn’t mean much, he also did that last year in New York and then won 10 straight sets in his march to the title. But who knows his true level? He hasn’t made a final this year and just came back from injury, but he’s in the QFs of Wimbledon so he must be playing well.

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    Veronica Reply:

    Great comment and great observations, Steve! Totally agree with you, every point! You couldn’t have worded things better!

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  16. Ru-an, wow, this is a great blog. Sorry I’m so late to the party. I like your sense of the men’s field, Djokovic deserving this major, etc. But I saw a lot of similarities between the French final vs. Stan and this Anderson match. He gets too conservative, waits, it seems, for his opponent to make mistakes. Those big hitters (Stan, Anderson, etc.) seem to intimidate Djoker a bit? Either way, he looks very vulnerable.

    I can not get behind Murray at all with all of his emotional outbreaks during matches, talking to his box, constantly animated – it’s embarrassing and shows little class aside from wasting energy and focus. He is not going to win this tournament. Very little style, game is clunky and awkward. I have much more hope for Wawrinka. Would love to see him win.

    I am a Fedfan but totally agree with you about his legacy and how much he deserves more majors, etc. (though he could definitely win here if he continues with this solid form).

    Did I miss the big discussions you all had a while ago about Nadal’s legacy? Sure, getting bounced again by a top 200 player is becoming common place, but what about the big picture, the rumors, etc.? Although he proved to have a tremendous competitive focus in big matches and big points, I consider him less of a tennis great than Roger or possibly Djokovic if he can pull his act together and reel off some majors in the next few years. This is Nadal, in other words. A clay court specialist who did things to succeed on some of the other surfaces, but at 29 in such decline? Speaks volumes about his character and game, IMHO.

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Hello, Matt. Thanks and welcome! Nice to see you agreeing with some of the things I said. Yes, Djokovic is vulnerable against big hitters. He lacks power but makes up for it to some extent with movement and defense. He is definitely to a grass specialist and I don’t think he will win the tournament either. He is just not a very strong guy if you look at his upper body. Kind of like Federer but Federer has a more damaging serve and fh. Anderson should have won but he choked at the end as expected. Djokovic has no answer when the other guy has a big game and is mentally solid on a faster court. He is the best on slow hc though.

    As for Nadal it is no surprise at all that he is declining, given his absolutly brutal game style. It’s a miracle he has not declined sooner if you compare him to the other grinders of the game like Hewitt, Courier, Chang, etc.

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    Matt Reply:

    Great point about those other grinders. I guess I was referring also to those rumors and what I see as a fairly big red flag with the types of injuries (consistently) and his massive peaks and valleys. 14 majors? Yet he could look utterly awful, often. I saw Raonic abuse him at Indian Wells this year. Nadal was lined-up maybe 15 feet behind the baseline and looked just sad. Not a GOAT.

    But, you’re right, aside from any talk of PEDs, he falls right into that grinder style that has a short life-span.

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Yes, there are red flags Matt. But it’s also a known fact that he has done blood spinning and hormone injection which is legal and can enhance performance, and also used to mask illegal doping. And yeah I never thought Nadal was anything close to a GOAT. I couldn’t care less what Mcenroe and Agassi said, who have admitted to drug use themselves. Nadal is FAR too one-dimensional and surface dependent to ever be seriously considered as the GOAT. There are a million reasons for it. His resume is too skewed toward clay, he’s never won a WTF, he’s never defended a title off clay, he wasn’t dominant enough and didn’t spend enough weeks at number, he is not complete enough as player, etc etc. Federer, on the other hand, has all these things covered and his won more slams so there is no reason for debate at this point.

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