What is More Important for Federer, the Masters Cup, Year End #1, or Davis Cup?

Hey guys. Just a quick post about something I thought was interesting. I hope you are still enjoying Roger’s title in Shanghai and caught up on the highlights if you missed the matches. Since Roger won Shanghai all of a sudden there is the very real possibility that he could claim the year end #1. I didn’t think he would win Shanghai which is why I wanted him to play Basel and skip Paris to rest up for the Davis Cup. But winning Shanghai means he can claim the a record 6th year end #1 if he plays Paris. So now I definitely want him to play Paris if he feels his body can handle it. And if I read correctly between the lines from Roger’s interviews in the press I think he will play Paris. For me the year end #1 is now more important than Davis Cup. Davis Cup is a team competition and doesn’t mean much for the individual resume. You cannot win the Davis Cup on your own.

I talked about slowing things down in my last post…

You need the help of your team mates. Roger could for instance win both his singles matches in the final, and if Stan loses both of his(which is not out of the question given his inconsistency this year) then the Swiss will probably lose the tie. So I would like to see Roger play Paris even if it could mean he may be tired for Davis Cup. I don’t think that will be the case since there are enough rest days in between, but still Roger has played a lot of tennis of late. He made the final in Toronto, Cincy, semis in New York, and now the final in Shanghai. If he makes the final in Basel, Paris, and London too, which could very well happen, then maybe he can be tired for Davis Cup. But I think it is worth the stretch anyway. I think Davis Cup is important for Roger. More than the critics wants us to believe anyway. So I don’t think he will take any risks with his schedule if he feels he could be tired.

…and the result was a second consecutive Masters title.

But I think he is feeling very good about his game right now and may just feel like he can do the Basel/Paris/London triple again. For me personally the year end #1 is more important than the Davis Cup title, but that is just me. Ideally I obviously want him to win the Masters Cup, get the year end #1, and win the Davis Cup. In order of importance for me it would be the year end #1(just because it would tie Sampras’ record and at age 33), the Masters Cup, and Davis Cup. So as far as I’m concerned he should take advantage of this rich vein of form and play Basel, Paris, London, and Davis Cup. He has the whole week now to rest at home before Basel, doesn’t have to travel anywhere for Basel, and then he can take a quick flight to Paris. Then there is another week of rest before London. And again four days rest before Davis Cup. I say he should go for it all!

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  1. LOL! I think that picking the Year-End #1 is the best answer because it basically includes Roger winning the WTF. He’ll have to if he hopes to get the Year-End #1. It may come down to the Davis Cup as well.. :-)

    I think that we should see how Roger does first in Basel and go from there. If he wins it – then the pursuit becomes real as the point difference will be only 490 points. So let’s see how it goes. Nadal is also in the draw as is Wawrinka so it won’t be a walk in the park.

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  2. definitely. Take advantage of the hot hand and go for it all. I wouldn’t be surprised if the priority for RF was DC though, it would be a first for Switzerland I believe, and therefore something totally new for Roger. That said, I think they are all important to him. He loves being number one, another WTF would be epic and counter NAdull RG dominance, and another masters 1000 would be huge. All great achievements and very exciting end of year prospects. Lovin it!!

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  3. I agree with you Ru-an, year-end No.1 is important now as Roger might not get another chance for it. But it might be the same case with Davis cup as well. Since the start of this season Roger wanted to win Davis cup for his country and for Stan, whereas the possibility of world no. 1 just started after he won Shanghai. He has also stated in his interview post-Shanghai final that it’s on Djokovic’s racquet. So personally for Roger Davis cup will definitely be the highest priority, and I think he must not compromise Davis cup for year-end No.1.
    Anyway in case Djokovic withdraws from Paris, then Fed will have a good chance to be No.1 even by skipping Paris, and that would be ideal. But it will be an epic end to his current season if he could reach world no.1 after winning the Davis cup.

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  4. I’m new to your blog but been a Fed fan for a few yrs. 2007 to be exact. Nothing more satisfying than seeing Fed rebound each time he goes down. 2009 was my fav comeback yr for Fed. From near death to winning FO. But this year potentially could eclipse that. Think about it… no slams but world #1 in today’s ultra competitive era? Also, the fate lies all in Fed’s racket. I.e. he will personally reduce doko’s points if both men play to finals in Paris and wtf. Sorry, but Nadal probably can’t get into the conversation this time, regardless how much juicing he going through now (obviously not a dull fan). So, I’m super greedy and want Fed to go all the way. Win every Damn competition ahead of him and get the fear factor back. That would be so sweet, no? Nadal, eat yr heart out.

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    rahan Reply:

    This is what I also like most: the fate lies all in Fed’s racket.

    For different scenarios, you may want to see:

    http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/10/roger-federer-number-one-atp-ranking-novak-djokovic-2014-no-1

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  5. I also agree with you Ru-an (and with Nakul):

    Year-end No.1 is important right now ! (next year we all ‘wait’ for the usual miraculous comeback of Nadal)

    Nevertheless, the future looks bright for the fresh Federer-Edberg style.

    ‘…At 33, Federer has made himself the most intriguing figure in tennis’s future…’ as commentator Syeve Tignor put it.

    For more interesting remarks see :

    http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/10/forward-thinking/53019/#.VD1JsVdmaSo

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  6. Thanks Rajan for excellent link. Great piece of “fwd thinking” on Fed. That description of Fed’s Corroded first game against Mayer… epic!

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  7. Hmmm Ru-an, what’s wrong with you?? :-) Usually you are the one who slows everyone down when they get their hopes up and dream big or when they have expectations, now you do the same???? :-) What is happening Ru-an?? When I dream big and say that Roger will win this and that, you are the one to slow me down and say that I should have no expectations/predictions and just enjoy Roger playing…. and now you do the same (having dreams and expectation) :-)

    Well…. then I have just one thing to say to you…. WELCOME TO THE CLUB :-) Dude…. this is what Roger does to you…. he makes you believe that he can win it all :-)

    I made one “tennis”-mistake in my life: When Roger said in September 2011 that he would like to win Wimby, Olympic Medal and be world number one…. I, as his diehard fan said to Roger: Dude, I love you, but who are you kidding?? Well…. he proved me wrong or what?? So when Roger said last year that he only had backproblems and that he would be back when they were over and that he could not believe that someone who was number 1 a year ago suddenly doesn’t know how to play…. well, when Roger says that, I will not make an ass out of myself again and I will BELIEVE him :-)

    That is why, you all tell me not to have predictions and not to have expectations, but sorry… I do have them. Because THIS Roger is THAT good.

    Think about it, last year was probably the worse year of his life and still…. he lost to everybody very closely, extrememy closely. He was not bageled or breadsticked badly or anything. The only match where he got “destroyed” was the Rome Final against Rafa.
    If Roger, THAT guy, with so much backpain and low on confidence, can still give ALL the players nightmares…. what will Roger do next year when he is accustomed to his coach, racquet, high confidence and believe and when he finds more ways to attack opponents and to keep points short??

    That is why I honestly believe he will win 8 GS, DC, Olympic Gold in Rio and 10 WTF. And now that he won Shanghai and Novak has to wait till September for Cincy, he will put it all out there to win Rome and MC. And you all think I am an idiot, but mark my words, he WILL defeat Rafa at RG and he will win that. He will win 5 or 6 AO, 1 or 2 RG, 9 or 10 Wimby and 7 USO :-)
    And in this time he will win WTF 10 times.
    You know why I believe this all?? Because I don’t believe for a second that he will retire in 2015 or 2016. He will play in his 40. Because he cannot live without the love and adulation from the fans, he loves and enjoys the sport way too much and he loves to shock people and players with how good he is :-) For instance the point he made this year at Brisbane doubles, where Mahut, Chardy and Dimi were thinking how did he do that and where the crowd was in awe. There is just one person who can stop Roger and that is Mirka. If she says, enough, now it is familytime. Otherwise…. the other players (also the upcoming and new ones) may stop Roger occasionnaly, but they will not stop him from beeing loved, from enjoying the sport and from WINNING :-)

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    Katyani Reply:

    But to answer your question Ru-an, I want him to go for world number 1 and equal Sampras. I think he will have all of his records then. And who knows when he will have the chance to be number 1 again, because I am reading that he has next year a lot of points to defend. DC would be nice, but he can win that another year too when Stan’s confidence is back :-) But God, oh my God, God please, let Roger win WTF :-)
    Oke guys, got to go home :-)

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    Joe Reply:

    What, you are posting from work??!!

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    Katyani Reply:

    Hey Joe, did you miss my RANT at one of the posts earlier?? :-) About me beeing almost every day alone at work at 19:30 in the evening with only the cleaning ladies. And about me not knowing how others can leave after working 8 hours…. Me, I am alwaysssssss late at work. Sigh. Damn… if only I had Roger’s money. Better yet…. If only I had ROGER :-)

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    Joe Reply:

    Hey Katanyi,

    I have been busy for a while until recently but I am truly sorry to miss one of your rants! :-)

    But even though you’re at work a lot (me too, another story…) I didn’t know you did your posting from there any more!

    How did you ever fix that problem? I’ll bet you did something ingenious!
    :-)

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    Katyani Reply:

    Hey Joe, no….. still no solution, I still cannot comment from home, even with trying a different browser. And to be honest, I am no genius when it comes to computers and internet. I don’t like them and they obviously don’t like me back :-) But, I have to for my work and ofcourse to watch the love of my life, our Goat. So, that is why I comment from work….if I have the time. Most difficult is in the weekends when I read all you guys comments and have no choice but to wait till Monday…
    But hey Joe, I would love to hear your rant about your work :-)

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Haha well I was impressed with Roger at Shanghai and we know that the indoor season is his best part of the season.

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    Katyani Reply:

    Hey Ru-an, again, welcome to the club :-) Where Roger just sucks you into believing that he can win everything on the planet :-) Which he can and will…. No, the way he didn’t want to lose against Mayer and Nole and Simon…. he really wants to do very good in the indoor season. Just hope he doesn’t tire himself out (for AO and all). But the Goat in scheduling knows best, so…. :-)

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    Henrique Reply:

    BEN CHIA,
    This was THE BEST piece of writting about ROGER (or about anything) that I’ve read for a while.
    THIS ROGER IS THAT GOOD, for sure!
    I’ve had the best time reading your kind/funny/inteligent remarks!
    Thanks!

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  8. He should skip Paris because it will tire him out for the WTF. What if he’s exhausted by winning Paris and cant put in his best effort for WTF? Because of that he won’t be able to win the YE#1 OR WTF. He should focus all his efforts on winning the WTF and if in the process he becomes YE#1 then great.

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Good point Monfed. I think in hindsight playing Toronto and Cincy before the USO tired him out for the USO. But that is also different since he was travelling and playing outside in heat. Now he is right by his home, will play indoors, and he is playing better too which means he will keep winning and therefore have more energy. Moreover, the WTF is best of three and only one week long, so I still say go for it all.

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  9. Roger has potentially 17 matches again of him. If he wins Basel, that’s 5 down.

    In Paris, he’ll be seeded #2. If Djokovic skips the event, then Roger may or may not either. If Djokovic plays, Roger has to play also because if Djokovic wins, than it’s over. I doubt that either Djokovic nor Federer will win but you never know. Roger has been VERY consistent at the Masters 1000 level:

    IW – Final
    Miami – QF
    Monte-Carlo – Final
    Madrid – N/A
    Rome – 2nd RD
    Toronto – Final
    Cincinnati – Win
    Shanghai – Win

    Apart from Miami and Rome, Roger is either in the final or wins the event. I suspect that he may at least get to the SF. If Djokovic loses prior to the SF than he can chill.. But will see.

    Let’s see how Basel goes first. If Roger loses early, that it’s pretty much over. Realistically, he has to win Basel to have a decent chance..

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  10. Sorry i have a different view, YE #1 is something that RF has done many many times and there is nothing new there
    Hence i would like the Davis Cup more, i want RF to achieve things that he has not done before and his resume would look even more impressive, and the joy of team success and celebration could spur him on for 2015, so its
    Davis Cup >> WTF >> YE #1

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  11. Master’s Cup is not so important, as he’s already won it 6 times. Year end #1 is cool, but Roger already has the record of weeks at number 1 and technically being number 1 would give him no advantage in draws. Therefore, I have to say Davis Cup is the most important. I bet the fact that Djokovic won Davis Cup in 2010 is partly why he did so well in 2011. If Roger won Davis Cup, not only would he finally be able to check it off his list, it could easily propel him to bigger things next year.

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Yes I tend to agree with the notion that DC is the most important IF it propels him towards winning the AO. We saw what winning the OG did for him in 2008…

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    Katyani Reply:

    Hey Chris, sorry, kind of disagree. WTF is important. The best 8 players in the world, winning it at age 33 for the 7th time, while critics/naysayers/haters keep going on and on about how he only won so many GS and titles in a weak era?? Yes, WTF IS that important. He has been trashed enough about the weak/strong era. What would those people say if he could win WTF for a 7th time in a strong era against the very best players??
    But I do agree about DC. It is important for him but also for Stan. It still takes a team. And hopefully by winning it, Roger will dominate 2015/2016, etc :-)

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    Chris Reply:

    I should have said I didn’t think it was important compared to the other options. At the face of it, WTF is still very important and it would be excellent for Roger to win it again.

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  12. I agree that Davis Cup is most important!!! However, it won’t depend only on Roger but on Stan as well. If Roger wins both of his matches but Stan fails to win 1 then the Swiss will lose.

    So in retrospect, Roger should play Basel. If he wins it, he should also play Paris. If he is tired, he can lose but at least he’ll have some point accumulation. Then he’ll have a week off. Go all out in London and try to win that also and then have 5 days off and basically play 2 matches in 3 days. I know that it’s a lot to ask from him but he knows his body.

    Obviously if after Basel, he wants to preserve his body, I’ll understand him and not put any blame. But if he feels that he can push it a little you never – greater things can happen.

    I just don’t want him to obsess with the Davus Cup only to win HIS, and then the Swiss still to lose while Roger will look back that he could have tried to contest for the WTF and the Year-End #1 as well and in the end to go empty handed.

    He should take it week by week and tournament by tournament but to have the chance to win Basel, go deep in Paris (deeper than Djokovic – possibly winning) and winning The WTF undefeated and getting the Year-End #1 would be simply awesome! And then topping it off with a Davis Cup win would BE SO Epic that it would be BIGGER than winning a Slam this year.

    So we’ll see! It’s up to him. When he says that it’s on the Djoker’s racquet it’s NOT True!

    In other words, if Roger wins all his matches he ends Number 1 no matter what Djokovic does. I give Roger one loss for the remainder of the season.

    It will come either in Paris, in the round-Robbin in London or in the Davis Cup. ;-) ))

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Well DC in itself is not so important. It is a team competition and therefor doesn’t mean that much for the individual. It is what it can do for Roger’s morale heading forward.

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  13. I think the Davis Cup victory would really be a nice bonus for Roger. Nadal and Sampras have both led teams to Davis Cup victory, and I think it would really add to Roger’s resume.

    The switch from fast indoor hardcourts to clay for the Davis Cup final will definitely be tricky for the Swiss.

    I wonder how many of the French fans will cheer for Federer. Could the crowd become a factor at the Davis Cup final? Or maybe there will be less pressure on Roger and Stan when they are playing away, and the weight of expectation will be a lot for the French to deal with. Historically the French have had trouble playing at home at Roland Garros.

    I usually don’t find Davis Cup that interesting, but this France vs. Switzerland final is something I’m really looking forward to.

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  14. Gosh Ru-an! Such a HARD question!! Life is so “complicated” when Roger is playing well, eh?! Heh heh! Reminds me of the choice game where you are on a sinking boat and you can save only 1 person on board; your wife or your kid….!! Take your pick! I guess I would go for year end no. 1 because he would have to win WTF to get that so that would include winning WTF as well!! DC is important just to get the monkeys (his country, tennis experts) off his back although I’m sure he feels proud doing it for his country. But it is not entirely on his racket which is the worrying thing. So if he saves himself for DC by, say, skipping Paris or Basel, but loses DC, he ends up with nothing!! So saving himself for DC may not be the wisest…. So, I say, as long as his body is able, go for it. There are rests in between and if he is wise, he would do minimum promotion/interviews during this stretch to maximise his chances. And I totally agree that he should also make full use of his rich vein of form now; especially as there might be the inevitable dip happening next year after such a great 2014. He seems to understand his back much better and has found the right way to manage it. I think physically and mentally, he would be in a better position than 2012 even if he played all of Basel/Paris/London/DC.

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    Ru-an Reply:

    I think in the end they are probably equally important Veronica. You can make a case for all of them. WTF because he would hold the record alone with 7 titles. Wow! Year end #1 would be special because he would tie Sampras and at the age of 33. DC because he has never done it and could really inspire him to do well at the AO next year. I don’t think there has to be an inevitable dip like you say either. At least not at the AO anyway. Who knows if Nadal can keep winning slams anyway. His body is breaking down as you would expect. And like you said with Edberg Roger has really found what he was looking for and maybe they can keep it up during 2015. Roger will have the number two ranking and should get decent draws. He has also found a game that can really do well in this era. And there is a fair chance that they will keep speeding up the courts too which would help him a lot too. Maybe he will just keep peaking!

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    Veronica Reply:

    Of course they are all equally important, that’s why it is a hard question, Ru-an! The best scenario however would be year end no. 1 because that would certainly mean winning more than one title whereas winning DC or WTF is just one title. I still do think there would be a dip next year, not before AO but after. It is only natural. He is still getting older! It happens with even the best of players; except Roger in his prime! Plus it’s gonna be a defending points year for him. Ton loads of them! Besides he might scale his schedule slightly to focus on slams….but then as you say, there is possibility he is still peaking! And his fine run may last another year, or at least till after he wins Wimby 2015! Scary, eh?! Haha! I heard AO maybe speeding up the courts! Fingers crossed!!

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    Vily Reply:

    I guess winning EVERYTHING would be the best!

    But realistically, I doubt that it would happen.

    It’s so weird though. I wish we could cherry pick which tournaments Roger would win and the tournaments that I WANT Roger to win for sure are the World Tour Finals and the Davis Cup.

    After that, I keep switching between Basel and Paris.

    I mean I like Basel because it’s his home tournament and he has made like 10 finals and won only 5 of them so it would be nice to make that 6 to set the record straight.

    At the same time it’s only a 500 event so winning Paris for the 2nd time would not only add to his ATP Masters 1000 tally but also it would increase his chances of winning the Year-End Number 1 Trophy.

    So I guess to sum up:

    Davis Cup – all Roger CAN DO is win BOTH of HIS Matches – then if the Swiss prevails, great. If not – He CANNOT and SHOULD NOT blame himself no matter what happens. Or can you believe. ROger losing 1 but Stan comes to the rescue and wins 2 singles or 1 single and 1 double. Crazy

    Individual:

    1. Year-End 1 (Because it encompasses winning at least couple of trophies for sure:
    2. ATP WORLD TOUR FINALS – 1 of 2
    3. PARIS 2 of 2 or
    4. BASEL 2 of 2

    In any case there are so many different scenarios.

    Roger should go out and TRY for everything. It won’t hurt. Just go for it, Roger!

    You never know, you might get rewarded in ways you might not even expect. :-)

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Oops! Fed already has the WTF record of 6 titles on his own. So probably another WTF won’t mean all that much, but I definitely want him to win it after losing that match to Djokovic in the final in 2012. Also it will help him to get the year end #1 if he does well in Basel and PAris. I don’t know. They are still all kinda equal to me, because if Roger wins the WTF it would be his biggest title of the year and the fact that he didn’t win a slam would give it extra significance.

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    Alex Reply:

    After those inspiring performances in Shanghai we cannot put anything past Roger anymore. Obviously there will be dips in form but unless there is another serious injury then the dips should not be too bad. But seeing Goderer show up after all this time was truly a sight to behold. He was amazing against Djokovic and Djokovic had no answer. You could even say that Goderer has no equal. What is most encouraging to me though is the noticeable fact that Roger has been steadily getting better and better and it all started at the indoor season last year. He has also been fine tuning his game, especially his net game which will undoubtedly help him in his mission for another slam. Roger is the kind of guy who will always be a contender for any slam and that is why we are always so hopeful as fed fans. Auzzie open is Djokovic’s best slam but who’s to say Roger can’t beat him there?

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  15. He already holds the record for most WTF’s alone at 6. DC is important but I am sure they will win it anyway, I think if he is to be world number 1 he will have to win 2 of the remaining three tournaments anyway. So I think if he finished number 1 it probably means he has won the WTF or Paris anyway.

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  16. I have to agree with Ruan on this one. I’d never considered before the fact that winning can give you more energy but it does because it inspires and revitalises you. Increased confidence is what it’s all about. Plus ideally we want Roger to continue this winning streak he is on and that will prepare him for the DC as well. It would be a shame though if Roger does his part in the DC and then Stan lets the team down. That’s another reason why the year end no.1 may be more important especially winning the WTF in the process. Other than that I would like to see Roger continue his winning streak so he gets into the habit of winning, taking that into the auzzie open.

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    Veronica Reply:

    Totally with you, Alex and Ru-an, about being energised and revitalised by winning. Winning begets confidence. Confidence begets energy. Energy begets revitalization. Revitalization begets inspiration!!! I think he should ride out this momentum, this second wind as Ben said. Roger is extremely good at recognising and seizing opportunities. If his body can hold up, I’m sure he is going for it.

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  17. Still enjoying the victory and am enjoying the additional posts over the last few days. If this all out attack Fed had been around at the US Open 2011 and 2010 SF, I think he would have 1 or 2 more Slams. I really liked especially how he shook off being passed by Djokovic several times.

    It strikes me that Federer might have played well at Shanghai because he had 3 (or 4?) weeks off after the last Davis CUp match and he could recharge. Recovery gets harder with age. I guess he has a week between Paris and London but I think he needs complete rest beforehand.

    Personally I hope he wins the WTF just to show his dominance over the field, even at the end of his career. I think the tournament favours him because he can still lose a match in the group stage if he has a bad night, but still win the whole tournament.

    Playing Basel is a must, so Paris is the only time he can rest himself.
    Maybe playing Paris, getting QF points for example, just using it for practice and fine tuning, followed by 10 days of rest and practice, would be best. I don’t know. Being NO.1 does not really help him for draws. But tying Sampras’ record is a great thing, I agree.

    Logically though I agree with others here, Davis Cup is his main goal because it’s new and would give him a boost for 2015. IF I had to make a choice, I’d want him to win WTF, I know of course that might not make too much sense. but it’s more important to me than No.1 I would just get sick of hearing how he is not a ‘real No.1’ because he never won a Slam in the year.

    That is what makes me laugh at these ‘weak era’ people. If the era was so weak, and Nadal is so great and is better than Fed, than how was Fed No. 1? Tennis is a game of matchups. Indeed Nadal has a great HtoH over Federer. But all those years (2005-2009 in particular) it was Federer’s unbelievable consistency that got him to No.1. He simply destroyed all the opponents whom Nadal could NOT defeat.

    Looking back since the French Open, we cannot believe how consistent Federer has been. He was won or made the finals of every tournament he’s entered, apart from the US Open where he lost in the SF to the eventual winner. It’s just an incredible run. Thanks Roger.

    P.S. I never had appendicitis, but from the people I talk to it’s extremely painful, even if it doesn’t rupture. Can you just treat it with medicine for 3 months without surgery?

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    Ru-an Reply:

    You’re welcome Bharata. Roger won’t be the real #1. Just the year end #1. Djokovic will still be #1 in the rankings. And yes I think DC is important in terms of giving Roger a boost for next year. I think WTF, year end #1, and DC are all important for their own reasons, which is why I think he should go after it all. But it will be up to him. He will know what is best for him.

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    Henrique Reply:

    Ru-an,
    Just to make sure, by the and of the year, the “real # one” is equal to the “year end # 1”.
    I mean, Atp Rankings = Atp Race by the end of the year.
    Am I right?

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Yes, that is correct. Sorry if I was being confusing.

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    Ajay Reply:

    Ruan you are seriously confused man. The year end number one is the number one in the main rankings as well.

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    Alex Reply:

    Yea now I’m confused as well. We need to sort this out

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    Ajay Reply:

    Okay let me explain it using Math.
    Lets say your points right now in the main ranking is x. Then your points next week in the main ranking will be x – y + z : where y is the points you accumulated at this week last year and z is the points you accumulated this year in that week. What this basically means is that the main ranking reflects the sum total of all the points a player has collected over the previous 52 weeks. But at the end of the year the previous 52 weeks refers to the only points of that year meaning it is the same as the Race to London points. Hence meaning at the end of the year there is only one number one !!

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    Ru-an Reply:

    This is correct. I messed up. Sorry!

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    Katyani Reply:

    Hey Bharata and Ru-an, you know what bugs me the most? The fact that Roger never has a REAL and actual opportunity to even the H2H.
    In 2012 second half of the year when Roger was almost unbeatable, Rafa loses early, doesn’t play or takes that longggggg “injury aka vacation”.
    In 2014, and I mean around beginning of June, I have counted ATLEAST 6 or 7 opportunities where if Roger would meet Rafa, he would beat and destroy him (Halle, Wimby, Cincy, USO, Toronto, Shanghai, etc). But ofcourse… Rafa is a no-show when Roger could acually even the H2H (loses early, injury and still playing golf, bla bla bla).
    This is what bugs the HELL out of me. Roger is basically unbeatable and he could beat Rafa, but Rafa loses early or is “injured”.
    Where as to in 2013 when Roger had the worse year of his life with his back pain, he met Rafa 4 !!! times and lost 4 times. But…. he was THERE.
    How can Roger ever make that H2H more even? And to those who say H2H doesn’t matter…. You are right. But it is the FIRST thing they say when they want to belittle Roger against Rafa….

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    Bharata Reply:

    Yes I agree with you completely here. I don’ think Federer ever had a fair chance to even the head to head…given they’ve played 3 times on grass and … how many times on clay (?!). The really only hard pill to swallow is losing 3X at the Australian. Since they never met at the US during Federer’s prime, I hope they don’t meet actually. As a taste of what would happen, watch some highglihts of the Master’s Cup 2006 or 2007, and realize that that is a slower court than Flushing Meadows…

    I was watching highlights of last years WTF where Nadal beat Federer in the semi finals…of course Fed had just played a 3 sett, 3 hour match with Del Potro the night before.

    You know Federer doesn’t like to lose, but especially in these last years he loses graciously. You feel bad he lost, but you have to admire his class in defeat. And then he stays positive and says he will come back, and he really has, even after that creel loss in Wimbledon and then losing a `guaranteed’ finals place at the US Open. It’s inspirational stuff.

    And his injuries and problems are ot clouded in vagueness and mystery . He’s open about them, he admitted he had to change his racket, his tactics, his coach, etc.

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    veronica Reply:

    Exactly, Bharata! Name me one player in the history of tennis who is as “mysterious” as Nadal regarding injuries. You get injured, you are out eg Delpo, Tsonga, Monfils, Murray, Haas, etc etc. It is straightforward. I’ve never heard of “in and out” nor taking half year off and then tearing through the draw kinda injury! Nadal must be so special. And who would play with appendicitis??!! Who is he kidding?! Yet he doesn’t play when he hurt his little wrist?! What’s the rationale? I think he’s testing out Basel. If he does well there, he may play WTF. I would very much like to believe that all his injury claims are true but things just do not add up. It’s hard to trust anything he and his shady team say.

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    Jiten Reply:

    Of course, Dull is special. He has injury in left knee and does have treatment on the right. There must be some telepathy between the knees!

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    veronica Reply:

    And also, Bharata, I cannot agree with you more about Roger. Despite being a very proud man, Roger’s head is on the ground (not like some Spaniard’s which is up in the sky maybe from smoking too much)he takes his defeats, stays honest and positive and just goes on with his job. Btw, did we hear any complaint from Roger for the CONSECUTIVE night sessions he had to play tournament after tournament (with finals suddenly switching to day usually)?! He could have just said a word and the organisers may have complied with his wishes. But no, Roger plays by the rules; he takes what he is offered and he is always about contributing to make the tournament successful, pleasing the fans; even if he needs to suffer lack of sleep for it!! So classy and professional. Roger’s maturity in dealing with his life on and off court is beyond admirable. He is truly heaven sent, once in a lifetime athlete. For people who can’t see it, it is truly tragic; for they have missed witnessing and experiencing the most inspirational and greatest figure sports has ever or will ever produce. Gosh, think I’m getting overboard, sorry!

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    Vily Reply:

    Guys, that is why the H2H with Nadal is utter Bullshit and it’s meaningless except to the Nadalfans in order to keep them warm at night. Nadal has Always avoided Roger and Roger has never avoided Nadal. It’s that simple. That being said, it is what it is but I don’t care about it in the least. The GOAT debate should be based on Slsms, Records, Titles, etc. H2H has little to no meaning, precisely because of Nadal’s antics..

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    Joe Reply:

    Many people cite Nadal’s winning percentages without taking into account that he won’t play if he’s not 100%.

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    Joe Reply:

    Katanyi,

    Many excellent comments but this is one of your best!
    :-)

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    Katyani Reply:

    Hey sweet Joe, thanks :-) But… for your own health and sake… don’t ever get me started on why still people think Rafa is better than Roger :-) You will not hear the end of that :-)

    Seriously, when will someone wake up and see him for what he really is?? A manchild who not only hates to lose, but over the years (and because of the rise of other players) is just basically and simply TOO SCARED to lose… therefor tries anything to avoid that and still thinks he will get away with it till the day he retires…
    Seriously, when will someone see him for who he really is??

    Ps: Did love the fact that at AskRafa a when asked him about HIS retirement :-) Wait till he finds out what Roger has to endure with questions about retirement and how Roger still stays polite :-)

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  18. Ah thanks – I didn’t understand before what ‘year end no.1’ meant. It’s still important though. I am a bit annoyed to find I will have to be away on the weekend of the WTF finals. Luckily this site will keep me updated :-)

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  19. Unconfirmed report Nadal skipping WTF!! There goes golden chance for Roger to school him and revenge for last years loss!!!! And Nadal (and Stan) are opening Basel!! What is this?!! Why Nadal?!! He is not even a regular in Basel; plus often pulling out or playing injured there!! The Swiss (Roger Brenwald) still holding grudges against Roger and snubbing him?!!!! Childish much, no?!

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    Bharata Reply:

    I looked this up. Apparently his team is denying it and says he will make up his mind after Basel…so prepare for a soap opera…

    Obviously he can’t lose: as usual if he goes and wins Basel (beating Federer, naturally) it will be another amazing triumph of mind over body, heart of a champion, etc…and if he actually loses, his opponent will be blamed for beating a guy in serious pain just ‘playing for the love of the game’ … (!)

    It’s a bit sickening actually, to always be involved in this sort of drama, just like before the US Open. We have to believe all these aliments are real (really I mean that) and yet, by sheer probability you would expect many other players to have similar injuries that make them questionable to play…you know like Murray (serious back surgery) or Del Potro (missing a year due to wrist problems). And yet I rarely see other players engaged in this kind of stuff…

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    Albert Reply:

    So strange that Brenwald keeps wanting to have Rafa headline the Basel tournament. Rafa rarely plays well at the end of the season, isn’t that great indoors, and isn’t the local favorite in Basel. Can you imagine the Barcelona event giving Federer a huge appearance fee and having him play the opening night match?

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    veronica Reply:

    Precisely, Albert! WHY Nadal?! WHY?! There is no explanation, no reason, nothing; except to snub Roger. And lol! about the comparison of Roger getting appearance fee in Barcelona and opening night!! What a mockery and totally embarrassment that would be!! Roger is son of Basel, won the most there, always gives priority to this tournament. I’m thinking now Roger should skip Basel and then buy Brenwald out of the tournament!! Since the fall out, Basel has never been the same. I think even Roger does feel a little bit of strain there instead of feeling completely at home and enjoying himself in his favourite home tournament. But Roger showed such class and maturity as he always does and continue to play there despite all the horrible moves by Brenwald to smear Roger’s name and snuck him out of the tournament.

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    Vily Reply:

    So, where are you guys all getting this from?

    I’m trying to find news about Nadal and Basel but I can’t find anything. So what’s up with this Brenwald idiot.. Anyway. No matter. Roger will school this boy even though I doubt that he’ll make the final even..

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    Joe Reply:

    I read this on one site:
    “Don’t be surprised if Roger gets a ridiculously tough draw in this one having to meet all the good indoor players to even make the final whilst Nadal gets his clay buddies.”

    Here’s one link:
    http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2013/04/basel-tournament-director-federer-refused-our-offer/47250/#.VEEIyf8o6Uk

    And another:

    http://www.rogerfedererfans.com/forum/topic/1284-roger-brennwald-says-sorry-to-roger-federer-in-an-interview-to-blick/

    But if you google Brenwald Federer Tennis you’ll see a lot more!

    :-)

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    Joe Reply:

    I can’t resist adding this passage from the second link:

    Federer in his press conference at Madrid Masters today clarified that I wanted to diffuse the situation at Basel and that’s why announced that I’m going to play without getting paid and just enjoy myself.

    Also, Federer (when asked about Brennwald’s apology) : “It doesn’t matter, I don’t discuss these things in press like he does.”

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  20. @Henrique… Thanks! You are the first to reply a comment of mine. Thanks for welcoming me to the community of fedfans :-)

    @ru_an… you have so many fun people here. Its a shame I only found your blog after fed’s shanghai run. Don’t ever stop writing!

    @Katyani… The point where injured fed vs Always-fit Rafa and the injured Rafa whenever fed wins bugs hell out of me as well. So I enjoy it IMMENSELY when Dull gets ousted at first round. Nadal wants to play Basel to extend his H2H on fed? You gotta Fight your way to the final first, no?

    @Alex… Goderer indeed has no equal

    @Veronica… nicely done. Childish Nadull, yes! Lets look fwd to him getting beat up in first round at Basel. Maybe he had so much juicing that he overcook all his shots.. ha! ha!

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    veronica Reply:

    Thanks Ben and welcome! It’s a LOVELY family here! Your posts are so straightforward and funny, I like them!! I can come up with a million and one not so complimentary terms for Queen Nadal (I’m sure you do too!) and I’m so tempted sometimes to do so! But we have a very classy host here and he does not do classless stuff, haha!

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Yep, because some people will always take it a step too far.

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Hi Ben, welcome to my blog. If you look at the top bar of my blog you will find commenting rules. We don’t talk about doping much here anymore after it got out of control. Rather we focus on Roger’s tennis and personality. If you have anything more to discuss about doping you can go to http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.com/. Since we don’t have concrete proof that Nadal is doping we do the classy thing and leave it to the doping blog to discuss.

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    Alex Reply:

    @Ben Actually I have no idea why Nadal suddenly wants to play Basel but there is NO WAY IN HELL that Rafa can beat Roger at this moment in time. This is one of the situations where Dull knows it’s best to avoid Roger. He probably doesn’t believe he’ll get to the final anyway.

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    Katyani Reply:

    Hey Ben, also from me, sorry a bit late, but welcome to this lovely blog. You will love all the people here. I also like your comments. Especially your first one.

    Just to let you in on a secret…. Ru-an is ACTUALLY the real Roger :-) Because no one writes about Roger the way Ru-an does :-) So…… he has to be Roger. No other explanation :-)

    Oh and another secret: Veronica is the REAL Mirka. She just posts here to know how we normal people feel about Roger :-)
    And to make us jealous that she knows Roger this good. Damn you Ronnie :-)

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  21. Hmm, with this tweet, Roger seems to have answered the question himself!

    https://twitter.com/rogerfederer/status/522409729977356289

    Ok, so maybe it doesn’t necessarily mean he’s prioritizing Davis Cup over everything else, but he is certainly making sure to be ready for the DC final on clay.

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    veronica Reply:

    Wow! Our man is SERIOUSLY serious about DC, huh??!!!! Or has he a mild case of amnesia? Someone please tell him he is playing indoors hard court season for the next few weeks, NOT clay!! Haha!! But seriously, I love this VERY serious Roger!! Sending out messages to the Frenchies already huh?!! lol!

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  22. I think from Roger’s point of view, winning the Davis Cup would be the biggest thing as he’s never won it and it would be a nice bonus after a very good season. However, I think that can still be a big goal for him (as it clearly is) while also having the YE #1 and World Tour Finals in his sights.

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    Vily Reply:

    I am happy that Roger is practicing on the clay but what the heck is Stan doing? Shouldn’t he be practicing also? I mean Roger is Roger but Stan has to contribute too if they want this Davis Cup.

    If Roger wins Basel and Novak skips Paris, Roger should skip it too. Then he’ll get Full 2 weeks rest with preparation for both the WTFs and Davis Cup.

    He’ll be only 490 points behind so if Novak wins all his matches and Roger does as well and they meet in the final and Roger wins then he’ll secure the Year-End Number 1 by 10 points… Crazy!!!

    So the best scenario is to hope for Novak skipping Paris – :-)

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    Alex Reply:

    I honestly don’t understand why he would be practicing on the clay right now. It makes no sense. His body is already well adjusted to indoor hard court by now, why would he want to adjust to clay at this moment in time? Will this practicing actually count for something in the end? Because straight after his practising on the clay he needs to play indoor and only after the wtf he will play on clay. Problem is he will only have about four days of rest and practice so that’s a bummer.

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    Katyani Reply:

    “I am happy that Roger is practicing on the clay but what the heck is Stan doing? Shouldn’t he be practicing also? I mean Roger is Roger but Stan has to contribute too if they want this Davis Cup.”

    Goat-remark Vily. Loved it :-)
    But honestly…. who says that Roger is practising on clay? The picture looks exactly like the picture he posted before the clay season this year or last year. Even the same position of his shoes.
    Maybe he just wants other players to think that he is not practising on hard court, so they underestimate him. Or he wants France to already be nervous…
    I think it is fake. Roger is up to something :-)

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    Ru-an Reply:

    It’s not fake. Roger is definitely practicing on clay and it looks like he is skipping Paris for DC. What a shame.

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    Joe Reply:

    FO ’15 baby!!!

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  23. @veronica, Yes! So happy to find fedfans like you. Thanks for warning me about the rules of not commenting Nadal and drugs. Will try to stay classy, like our hero Federer. Opps, I mean Goderer (post shanghai God-mode switch is on).

    @ru_an, I understand now. Newbie reader going through older posts and finally found the “Does Tennis have a doping problem?” post. I see why ru_an set those rules. The comments section was *nasty*. Pity, I joined your blog too late, else I would have unloaded plenty then and there! But rules are rules, so I’ll go along. NaDull and PEDs are off-limit topics. Got it!

    @Alex, Rafa’s camp probably think that if Dull makes it to final, he can reclaim some confidence and aura of invincibility back. Silly though. With the “injury” (can I mentioned things like this ru_an?) and poor form, Dull’s probably gonna get beat up by other players in the draw before he can even smell federer’s sweat.

    @Vily, interesting idea! The overall goal is to usurp #1 from novak. Be it by 500 points or 10 points, it doesn’t matter. So, skipping Paris to rest for WTF is actually a good strategy play. However, its too risky a bet IMO. I’m thinking Fed is going to go all the way and play everything. He’s feeling so good right and Fed has no fear of losing. He may want to ride out this second wind and see where it leads…

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    Ru-an Reply:

    I also banned someone who couldn’t behave and he is probably trying to get entry back into my blog as we speak! Can never be too careful. Also my name is spelled Ru-an, as you would have seen in the comment that replied to you. No worries, I’m sure it just slipped your view!

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  24. So what’s the deal with NAdrama now? Every article says something different. Is he playing WTF or not? Anybody know?

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    Ru-an Reply:

    No one knows for sure Eric.

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    Ru-an Reply:

    His team denied that a decision had been reached http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/10/nadal-settling-surgery-date/53047/#.VEBwt_mSySq

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    eric Reply:

    I find this to be totally bizarre behavior. He reminds me of some of those crazy Russian wta players a few years back that constantly had drama and issues going on. One of them had a boyfriend / coach that people thought was abusing her. Another one melted down on court regularly, crying and smashing things. And they were skinny or fat, actually fat, depending on the week. How do top ranked tennis players possibly get fat. Why doesn’t NAdrama just make up his mind and be done with it. Why doesn’t he just get the operation asap and heal asap so he can get back to normal as early next season as he can? This guy drives me crazy. Fed had serious back problems, dropped to number 8, two sets of twins born, multiple coaching changes, equipment changes, and we never heard a peep of excuse or drama out of him. Never once. And NAdrama’s fans are loving this, saying how incredible he is for playing through the pain. He’s an idiot. He could have that thing explode while he’s stressing his system and have a real medical emergency. How freaking stupid is that????? I am so glad I’m a Fed fan.

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    Vily Reply:

    I totally agree with Eric. Nadal is just so weird. He’s willing to not play the U.S. Open for a tiny little wrist injury but he’s willing to play throughout his appendicitis which is potentially life-threatening. But no matter. I don’t care much about him and my thoughts are entirely with Roger and what he does! :-)

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Right Vily. Nadal doesn’t interest me. I don’t care about what he is doing. I care about what Roger is up to.

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  25. Hey, Guys! Did you read this?

    Cilic has qualified for the WTFs even though he is ranked below Nishikori. The reason why is supposedly because he is a Grand Slam Champion. So basically, if he loses all the rest of his matches and is ranked number 12 he would still qualify – because he is a Grand Slam Champion.

    I think that it’s both fair and unfair because everybody else may be left with no incentive. In other words, if Cilic won Auatralia and then took a vacation but maintained a top 20 ranking he is guaranteed a spot in the WTFs… That rule is kinda weird.. I mean if you are good enough go to win a Grand Slam you should be able too I qualify on your own… Just saying!

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