Federer Succumbs to Rampant Tsonga in Toronto Final

Hey, folks. I don’t have much time, but I feel like there are a few important things to say after Toronto so I will see how far I can get. First of all congrats to Tsonga on a superb week and winning his second Masters title. He is too good a player to have the same amount of Masters titles as Ferrer. It’s good for tennis when an attacking player like him wins a big title. To win the title, he beat Djokovic, Murray, Dimitrov, and Roger among others, showing that when he is on his game he can beat anyone. As for Roger yes, it was disappointing that he lost in yet another Masters final. But it was also disappointing how the tournament scheduled his matches. He was always playing the last match of the day and getting in bed at ridiculous times. The night before the final he got in bed at 3:30 am for instance and then the final was played at 3:00 pm to boot.

No wonder Roger was looking flat in the final. Of course, the three setters against Cilic and Ferrer didn’t help, but I feel like the scheduling was just a bit harsh for Roger. Then he had his birthday after the Cilic match which ended right before midnight if I recall correctly. I think they could have let him play the first semi against Lopez at least. That way at least for the final, he could have gotten some more rest. Not trying to make excuses, but I think all these factors combined to leave Roger flat in the final. I couldn’t watch the match but from watching the highlights and from what I could gather from my reliable sources Roger’s ground game was basically absent. Yet he was still able to make life difficult for Tsonga. I think that is a positive in itself. The other positive was his net game where Roger won 27/33 points.

That is something that has really improved of late under Edberg. The 37 unforced errors tells the story about the ground game and even Roger’s serve wasn’t that great. The first serve percentage was good but he only served one ace in the first set and four double faults is unusual for Roger. Also, Roger created not a single break point? I think that pretty much sums it up. But again I want to say that Roger should probably have closed out Cilic in straight sets when he had all those match point at 5-4 in the second set. Maybe he could have beaten Ferrer in straight sets too. Roger is now 2-5 in finals for 2014, losing a slam final, three Masters finals, and a 250 final, while winning a 250 and 500 final. A pretty poor record in finals, but lets gets some perspective here. Roger is 33 years old and he will be feeling the long matches in his body more than ever.

He has actually been playing very well this year. I just feel like he has been a bit unlucky on a couple of occasions. Certainly in Toronto the schedule didn’t help him. I feel like Roger has been playing well all year but hasn’t been rewarded. But his luck is bound to turn around if he keeps persisting, and you can be sure that he will. That is just Roger. He doesn’t let temporary setbacks deter him. He just keeps pushing forward until he succeeds. Now that is a stupendous statement and how all success is achieved. I believe Roger will keep pushing forward and it must pay off sooner rather than later. Maybe it will pay off in Cincy. Maybe at the US Open. Or maybe at the Masters Cup. Preferably at Cincy since that will give him that winning feeling just before the big one. I’m sure Roger will feel the effects of Toronto on his body, but he will at least have a couple of days to rest now.

Tough old day at the office

And he will be confident after his showing in Toronto. The draw is pretty tough, but Roger has a superb record at Cincy. His draw is Pospisil/Stepanek, Bautista-Agut/Monfils, Murray/Isner, Raonic/Berdych, and Djokovic/Wawrinka. Hopefully, Roger can get his matches done in a more efficient manner in Cincy where the courts are pretty fast. He can really put his new found net game to good use there. To arrive pretty fresh in the final Roger would probably need to win three of his first four matches in straight sets, which is a tough ask with his draw. We will just have to see how things play out. The draw is just a rough estimate of who Roger could face anyway. But I stick by what I said. I think Roger will be rewarded somewhere. He may not be rewarded in Cincy, but then he could win the US Open.

I think some fans get too negative because of expectations. At this stage of Roger’s career, he has nothing left to prove and some of these expectations from fans are really absurd. To make seven finals at this stage of his career, one of which was a slam final which he came awfully close to winning, is a fantastic performance. But, of course, Fedfans are spoiled and will never be satisfied. Eric was right when he asked people if they knew anything about tennis. Tennis is an awfully competitive and physical sport and what Roger is doing at his age is nothing short of astounding. That’s why I was hardly disappointed after the Wimbledon final. I was just amazed at how well Roger played to come back in the fourth set and force a decider. That in itself was the reward for me. Can Roger win the US Open?

Roger happy with his week, as he should be

We would all like to see Roger win #18 like a fairy tale, but there is no guarantee. Annacone and some of the ex-greats seem very sure that Roger will win another slam. I am not as sure as them, but I’m not gonna count out his chances. In a sense, you feel like Wimbledon was his last big chance but maybe everything will come together for Roger at the US Open and he wins #18 there. You just can’t count the possibility out. Already Nadal is having injury problems and Djokovic is struggling with his form. If Roger can get some quick wins in the first week and his draw works out in the second week you never know what could happen. Like I said his luck is bound to turn at some point, and it could be in New York. He doesn’t necessarily have to win Cincy to have a shot in New York either.

Well for once I was able to complete a full post after I could finally get medicine at the pharmacy yesterday. I think Toronto was another very positive week for Roger. He just lacks that one big title which I’m sure will happen from now until the end of the year. So in a way I am more excited than ever. Today I am going to Bangkok after which I will go to Laos to get my work permit for Thailand. So I have a bit of traveling to do in the next few days. I will do my best to watch tennis and do some posts, but I can’t promise anything. I should be done with it all on Friday so I will definitely be able to blog over the weekend. I’m sorry for all the interruptions of late but thanks for understanding and keeping the comments coming. Hopefully, the scheduling will be a little friendlier to Roger in Cincy and he can finally claim his first Masters of the year!

 

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53 Comments

  1. Well said, Ru-an! Don’t worry about regular posts. As long as you can respond with a comment every now and then, I’m fine with that. Good luck with the work permit!

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Thanks Veronica, but you for one deserves regular posts and responses to your comments. Just difficult right now.

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  2. You’re the best Ru-an, fantastic and level headed post as usual. Yes, his net game was not just good on paper stats. It was fan freaking tastic and extremely athletic. Stretch dives and shoelace pickups galore. And he was moving very well. To me he didn’t appear to be fatigued as much as just off, frustrated, and no timing. And I think that’s a good thing and leads me to the only tiny part of your post I might disagree with. I understand why you said that for Roger to arrive fresh at the Cincy final he’d have to win most of his matches in straights, but I don’t think fatigue was his issue in Toronto and I don’t think he was fatigued until the end of the last set at Wimbledon after playing a lot more tennis to get to that final. The way he’s chasing down balls lately tells me he’s in excellent shape. No, I think Toronto really was as you said about the night matches, late bedtimes, and having to play day after day without a rest day. Rough scheduling indeed. Thanks for finding the time to infuse some clear and calm optimism, we needed it. Best of luck with your work permit and safe travels.

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    balthazar Reply:

    Eric, you’ve contradicted yourself in this post. First you say that fatigue wasn’t the issue in his loss to Tsonga, then a couple of sentences later you state that Fed lost due to all his night matches, late bedtimes, and playing without a rest day. It’s obvious to me that fatigue was a HUGE issue in the Final. Roger only got 18 hrs. of rest for that match. I can practically guarantee you that he will never win another Masters final without at least 24 hrs. of rest before the match. His 33 yr. old body simply demands such recuperation time. And for a Major final he needs at least 44 to 48 hrs. off to have a decent chance of lifting the trophy. The sooner all Fedfans accept this predictive formula for the remainder of Roger’s career, the better off they’ll be, for they will avoid all the bitterness and anger displayed by certain posters on this site.

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    Eric Reply:

    Right, I see how you could view that as contradictory. Don’t have time to fully reply right now but what I was trying to say is that it was the scheduling rather than too much tennis. I think he’s in good shape and can handle the normal rigors of a tournament even GS without having to win most matches in straight sets, but the scheduling did him in. I think we’re saying the same thing, maybe I just said it poorly. Gotta run

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  3. Hi Ruan,
    Hope ur well! Gud post, from the start Roger was struggling with his ground stokes lots of UF. I think scheduling were harsh on roger , didnt played a day match nd was looking flat against Tsonga most of those errors were off Forehand . Net games were excellent roger is in gud shape nd playing gud tennis right now it was just an off day. Next up is Cincy tough draw but fast surface suits rogers style of plays, it will gud for roger to play tough players before US open, Roger looks confident looking forward for gud show from roger. Sure roger ll be rewarded for his hard work this season soon.

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  4. Hey Ru-an. Great post. Good to hear that you are doing well and good luck with the work permit. Hope all goes well for you.

    For me, like you said, it was just a bad day at the office. 23 year old Roger would have won, but 33 year old Roger was effected by the schedule (his popularity is a blessing, but also a “curse”). Like you, I am not making an excuse, just telling the truth. BUT… it was our man in the final, not the other dominant ones. And trust me, this loss will be a “blessing in disguise”. It wasn’t his day, except for the netplay nothing else worked, still he got no bagels. He fought and made Jo Willy work for it. And I am glad that he lost to him instead of Djoko again.
    I wouldn’t mind that much if he didn’t win Cincy. Like you, I hope he wins USO. And NOT keeping any pressure on him, but if he could win only 3 or 4 titles this year…. God, please God, let it be USO, Basel, DC and for Godsake the WTF !!! I don’t care if he doesn’t win any other title, but these 4 would be soooooo awesome :-) Especially the WTF.

    Anyway, Roger had a bad day at the office, still made his opponent (who did deserve to win) work for it and Roger managed to keep the score “good”.

    Don’t worry if you don’t have the time to comment, we will hear from you in the weekend.
    Good luck Ru-an :-)

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  5. Hey guys, can you please tell me if I am seeing this right? Isn’t Roger putting too much focus on winning Wimby? (Like Novak does on winning RG). I really think he should let his “kind of obsession” of winning Wimby go and focus on winning the other slams. I really believe with all my heart that Roger will win another GS first. Then he will win Wimby. Once he wins another GS first…. I think it will keep his focus less on Wimby and THEN he will win Wimby. I think that he is so “busy” winning a GS to keep Rafa away that he thinks Wimby is his best (and only) chance. Is this all true??

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    Joe Reply:

    This is an interesting question! I loved Roger’s dominance at USO, just as much as at Wimbledon. Maybe his numbers at USO aren’t quite as impressive but they are very close!

    And if not for a couple of heart-breaking losses to Djokovic there… well, you know. He could be looking at 19 slam wins right now.

    I would guess Roger considers Wimbledon his best chance for another slam win, but I hope he doesn’t consider it his only chance!

    And if he could take the crown at USO it would surely take a lot of pressure off. Who knows what he could accomplish if he could play even more freely? I just hope he’ll be ready to give his all at USO.

    I know I’m not the only one who thinks he can do it!

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    Katyani Reply:

    Hey Joe, I truely believe that Roger is putting way too much pressure on winning Wimby. I also truely believe that when he wins another GS first, he will win Wimby too.
    And I know the people with tennis knowledge say that Roger doesn’t have a great chance of winning AO, but I really think he will win that atleast once too. And… maybe even RG, if the great Rafa is out :-)

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    Katyani Reply:

    Oh and Joe, if things go his way, Roger has a great chance to win USO. This year USO will be between Roger and Andy I think. Isn’t it just great to know that Roger won USO 5 times in a row and that after that (since 2009) there have been all different winners? No one can even win it twice in a row….

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  6. I agree with most of Ru-an’s thoughts. I think that if Roger gives himself enough of those opportunities, his luck will turn sooner or later. Emphasis is on SOONER since the US Open is only 3 weeks away… ;-) I am really counting on Roger there but then again you never know what the future holds..

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    Joe Reply:

    Hi Ruan and everyone –

    Glad to hear you are feeling better, Ruan, and thanks for a great post that included your usual clear thinking and excellent analysis.

    I am surely no tennis expert, but this is what I imagine other professionals are saying, as opposed to what some of the more disappointed fans are saying:

    “After Roger was worn out by a clearly unfair schedule, and had to play during daytime hours only on the last day of the tournament – on a slower court, mind you – where the thermal properties of his racquet, the ball, the court, and even the air threw his timing and footwork off – just enough to mess up his return game, for example – and where his vision was also affected – against a rampant Tsonga, who always has a great match in him – he showed incredible physical and technical resilience, kept trying new things and kept it so close. On a day when the announcers were commenting that his game was clearly off, Roger stayed in the game. He showed great mental strength!! His stamina was excellent throughout the tournament, and even on a bad day he made many excellent shots. Most of all he’s not giving up! If this is how he’s going to fight during an ‘off day’ we’d darn well better be watching out for him in Cincy and USO!”

    Best,
    Joe

    P.S. I also loved how someone posted that Roger didn’t take any medical timeouts!!!

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    Katyani Reply:

    Hey Joe, that is what I am most proud of Roger during his Toronto loss. He could do a “Novak” and take a unnessacary and totally gamesmenship MTO, but he didn’t. Not his style and more important not the way he was raised. After Wimby, I was very very disappointed in Novak. He deserved to win Wimby, but he “tainted” the win with his gamesmenship MTO. And I cannot tolerate that. I think it is unfair and not done by someone who presents himself as fair and humble and is a rolemodel. If Roger doesn’t win Cincy, I would be fine with it, as long as Novak doesn’t win it either. In my honest opinion…. he doesn’t deserve to win it.
    Come on Roger :-)

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    Joe Reply:

    So right Katanyi!

    Roger had Novak on the ground several times, calling MTO – I think several times too – even praying to the tennis gods for a win (did you see him reach to the sky with his racquet in a praying posture?).

    I think when Roger is playing his best attacking tennis he will have his opponents changing direction and going down frequently.

    But in spite of all the interruptions, Roger – just played tennis. I love that about him too. The possibility of employing mind games just doesn’t seem to occur to him at all. And maybe it took him a little while to notice when others do it.

    Roger is a true sportsman, maybe one of the very few at the top of this beautiful sport. So I can’t resist adding this link, even though we are talking about Novak right now! :-)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/wimbledon/10942290/Wimbledon-2014-diary-Rod-Laver-and-Ken-Rosewall-refuse-to-give-Rafael-Nadal-a-break.html

    Best wishes,
    Joe

    P.S. Btw I completely agree with you that winning Cincy is not necessary for Roger; just going deep would be fine I’d think. But the courts are definitely faster than the ones in Toronto! :-)

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  7. Was so delighted to see your new blog flash across my screen, Ru-an, also that you are feeling better. Wish you good luck on your new beginnings in Thailand.
    Now, we look forward to tennis in Cinci, USOpen to follow. May the power of positive thinking bring good tidings for Roger, good health to continue, it is one match at a time. The Best is yet to come! C’mon, Roger!
    Kindly,
    Dolores

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  8. See – DARN IT! Darn IT!!! Tsonga is such a FLUKE! Spoils Roger’s Cup (that was his Masters 1000) and now he loses in the First Round. Simply pathetic. I am sick of people spoiling Roger’s trophies only to then disappear right after… Aye Aye…

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    elizabeth Reply:

    And so say all of us!!! It’s unreal the commentators were saying that Tsonga would be exhausted, and it wasn’t fair for him to play this afternoon that he should have played tonight….they are a few days late talking about scheduling.

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    Katyani Reply:

    Here here Vily and Elizabeth. Totally agree with both of you. Makes you respect Roger’s consistency even more. And if Roger loses early at Cincy…. no worries… more practise time for USO :-)

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Tsonga is not a fluke. He beat Murray, Djokovic, Dimitrov, and Roger back-to-back. Not surprised he was burned out after that.

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    Vily Reply:

    A lot of guys are losing early – Dimitrov, Tsonga, Berdych… Who is next?

    Djokovic looked shaky and maybe should have lost yesterday but prevailed..

    Wawrinka and Murray are looking good, as I expected.

    Roger is gonna have a tall order to win this title after just making the finals in Toronto. There is no guarantee that he’ll beat Murray should he even get that far. I am worried about fatigue.. Wawrinka might beat Djokovic but yes – if Roger doesn’t win this, I don’t want Djokovic to win either. If Roger wins here, maybe even though he’ll burned out, he’ll take a huge confidence out of it. However, winning will be a very tall order indeed. Potentially both Wawrinka or Djokovic will be a tough MENTAL test for him but also getting by Murray will be tough. Plus, let’s see what happens today with Pospisil. I hope that Roger wins this..

    He’s playing a lot of tennis – which is both good and bad. If he could just win the title and then chill for New York, he should be ready.. Most likely though, he might lose in the QFs or possibly the Finals again – although if he does make the finals, I am telling you he’ll throw the kitchen sink in order to win. I hope he doesn’t face Djokovic there cause Djokovic will also throw the kitchen sink so will see…

    Nervous and excited at the same time.. :-) )

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    Joe Reply:

    Lots of tired players, lots of tiebreaks today … and it was a close one for Roger too, until he put the pedal down in the third.

    I imagine most everyone knows about this statistic already, but for those of you who don’t:

    http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2014/08/33/Cincinnati-Wednesday-Federer-300-Masters-1000.aspx

    Best,
    Joe

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  9. Darn this is exactly what Roger doesn’t need. A tough three set match against who will arguably be his easiest opponent in the tournament. It may be better for his US Open chances if he didn’t get too far here…

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Yeah it was always gonna be a tough draw for Roger. I can see many more three setters on the horizon if he keeps winning. Monfils will be a tough test.

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    Chris Reply:

    Monfils could even be tougher for Roger than Murray assuming Murray and Roger both win. Monfils is on the rise again, while Murray appears to still be on the decline.

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    Vily Reply:

    Well, it is what it is! If Roger loses tomorrow or on Friday, I’ll understand it due to the fatigue factor. That’s the only thing that will explain it. At the same time, it will be a good test of Roger’s resolve. Maybe he does need to win in Cincy in order to get the believe of winning in New York. However, Monfils always plays him tough. It could go straight sets for Roger, 3 set loss or a 3 set win.. Then Murray might be very tough as well. It’s not gonna be easy. I just hope that Djokovic doesn’t make the final… I don’t want Djokovic to build on any sort of confidence prior to the US Open.. Will see what happens. I’m actually getting ready for the eventual loss either tomorrow or on Friday. I’ll be pleasantly surprised if Roger makes the weekend here..

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    Ru-an Reply:

    No I think Roger will lose to Murray Chris. Murray is due a good run and he already beat a very tough Isner. It think the 3-setter will catch up with Roger vs Murray. I hope I am wrong of course.

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  10. I understand why you would be preparing for a loss Villy after all the dissapointment we’ve had as fed fans. But I choose to be more optimistic. Real fatigue does not really come into it at this point simply because we must not forget that most of these players had a month rest prior to Toronto, at least Federer did. So in my opinion there should be no real fatigue yet and he should have enough reserves to stretch out some good form till the end of the US open. Problem is that the younger players just have that little bit more energy than him. Make no mistake, being fitter than your opponent counts for a hell of a lot in tennis.

    As far as Cincy goes, we may get a few more three setters for Roger (he may be a little down on confidence after not being able to get any break points against tsonga or Pospicil played very well – I didn’t actually watch the match). But I believe Roger can win this tournament and I think he could also beat Djokovic just as he did here in 2012.

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    Alex Reply:

    I forgot to mention, I said ‘real fatigue’and I explained what I meant by that above. But his loss in Toronto was as Ruan put it, bad sheduling and in my opinion not sleeping enough.

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    Vily Reply:

    I love your optimism, Alex! Would love it if it happens. Let’s see how it plays out the next couple if days and then will go from there. Maybe going through a tough draw may be a blessing in disguise. You never know. Actually, Roger made a lot of these finals this year with relatively easy draws which may be the reason why he kept losing those finals. Now he’ll be struggling for a change but if he gets through, it will pay off for him in the end. Will see I guess. I am sure that Roger wants to win this just as much as any other trophy – so will see..

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  11. I don’t know if I’m right or wrong but I see Murray playing better, he’s serving better than ever. So I hope that big John keeps his focus because Murray won’t go away easily. On a lighter note I thought it funny when I heard the commentators saying that Murray was complaining that Sousa was using bad language, maybe he was mad that Sousa got it in first…a classic case of people in glass houses.

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  12. Robredo vs. Djokovich 7-6, 7-5 !!!

    What’s happening here? (81 points-66 points)

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Another upset for Djokovic. The poor form continues. I seriously doubt he is winning the USO now, which leaves the door open for you know who..

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    rahan Reply:

    Amen !

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  13. WOW! Robredo Just made my day!!! No matter what happens until the end of the tournament, one thing is for certain: Novak’s is NOT winning the Golden Masters and he is NO Longer the favourite for the US Open. The Let Down Continues.

    I see someone taking advantage her in Cincy. I have a gut feeling that it will be Murray, Wawrinka is also playing well.

    No matter! I hope I am wrong about Murray. Roger can win this but there question marks about his fitness. If he beats both Mo fils and Murray tomorrow, I’ll change my tune. But if he loses, I know that Djokovic lost too so that’s it.

    Let’s see what happens tomorrow with Nadal – is he playing or quitting New York. If Roger wins Cincy and Nadal pulls out, he’s got to be the favourite… Let’s see how it plays out tonight first. But yahoo – Djokovic is out!!!

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Yeah if Murray wins Cincy he all of a sudden becomes one of the favorites for the USO. The USO could be quite open this year.

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    Katyani Reply:

    Hey Vily, glad I am not the only one who is happy that Novak lost. Kudos to Robredo, he played great and stayed calm. Novak was disinterested and was kind of in a bad mood. To be honest I was a little bit upset with Robredo that he beat Roger at last year’s USO. But he deserved that win and Roger…. kind of “tanked” the match I guess. So kudos to Robredo. If Roger doesn’t win Cincy, I wouldn’t mind if Robredo did.
    Stan played the 2nd and 3rd set against Cilic like he played the 3rd set against Roger at the MC final. Every ball and every point was gold. He made all of them. Came up with shots, Cilic had no answer to just like Roger at MC.
    Andy played great against Isner and totally deserved that win. He looks scary good.

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  14. How did he look?

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    steve Reply:

    He was fired up, even though his level was uneven. His net game went awry in the second set but he didn’t back down and the volleys he was hitting too deep in the second started finding the target in the third.

    He kept coming forward and looking to press the issue and there were some unbelievable net exchanges where Monfils made three or four good shots but Federer managed to hit a winning volley.

    His anticipation at net has improved, he can read his opponents’ passing shots, pickups, and counter-volleys much better. Plus it seems he has learned to accept that he won’t win every point where he comes to net, and that he has to keep plugging away and playing the percentages at net.

    Monfils pushed him all the way. He returned well–I don’t remember Federer hitting too many aces or unreturnables–and he kept the ball in play and took his chances from the baseline, plus he made more than a few of his usual crazy miracle shots. It was quite a handful for our man.

    He had to save break points in several of his service games early in the third, while Monfils cruised on serve until Federer broke him at 4-3. Even the last game was close.

    He’ll need every bit of his skills for Murray. The dour Scot seems to be rounding into form after surviving match points to down Isner, and he’ll be raring for revenge after AO this year. Players always seem to be peaking when they face Federer, it’s just how the timing works.

    Big question is how Federer will hold up physically, after two straight three setters, against one of the fastest and most tireless retrievers in the game. We know Murray always goes the extra mile whenever he plays Federer. If Federer plays with measured aggression, always trying to come forward and take the initiative, he’ll win. If not, it’ll become a grindfest and Murray will have the upper hand.

    Hope he can give us a great performance! C’mon Roger!

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    Joe Reply:

    Thanks for a great summary Steve!

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  15. Whew!!! Another win in the bag.. Another tough 3-setter. I am worried about Roger’s fatigue.. I hope he has enough left in the tank – the draw is still tough.. Will see how it goes tomorrow.. Somehow I feel that fatigue will catch up to him… Otherwise, I don’t really see anyone stopping him. Murray will be a tough match… Then maybe Raonic as well and finally Wawrinka… Tough schedule…

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Yeah I think the fatigue catches up with him vs Murray. I think that is where the tourney ends for him. Hope not.

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    Jiten Reply:

    Ru-an, though it was a three setter, still it was less than two hours and as such, physical fatigue should not be an issue. In my opinion, it is how much Fed wants the Cinci title, if he focuses well, I strongly believe he can win this tourney. In another note, Fed has the maximum number of wins in ATP tour this year: at 45, he has one more win than Nadal. Come on Fed!

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Yeah I just watched the highlights, looked at the match stats, and read about the match. Apparently Fed was playing really well in the 3rd set and feels like he can play freely vs Murray because he has had enough matches to prepare for the USO. I am going back on my prediction and will say that this match is about 50/50. Tough to call.

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    Vily Reply:

    The courts are playing very fast – Roger’s match played very fast – both Monfils and Roger were red-lining a lot of shots. Roger got angry at 3:3 in the 3rd and that elevated his game. I am watching the replay now – maybe Roger DOES have enough in the tank.. If he beats Murray and somehow wins Cincy, he’s got to be the hot favourite at the Open.. Roger will have to go for his shots – but so far he’s looking good..

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    Vily Reply:

    The game he played to break Monfils for 5:3 in the 3rd was absolute Masterclass btw.. Brilliant stuff.. It seems he has learned from his Cilic woes..

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    Ru-an Reply:

    I know you are a passionate fan Vily but I think you get over excited at times. Lets forget about the Cincy title or the USO for now and see what happens vs Murray.

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    Katyani Reply:

    I agree Ru-an, I would love if Roger wins Cincy, but Andy is looking scary good. So glad Roger beat Monfils. I know a lot of you don’t like the fact that it is another 3-setter, but to be honest, almost every match at Cincy has been a 3-setter. Hope he beats Andy, if not, no worries, more practise time for USO :-)

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  16. I’m not worried about gas left in the tank, I’m worried about very inconsistent play from Roger. Frankly I think he’s been playing mediocre tennis for all of Toronto and cincinati, but somehow he’s managed to get the wins anyway. One day he’s volleys great, the next very poor. I’d be surprised if Roger has hit 10 successful topspin bhdtl this whole week. His backhand is cross court or slice only. No kidding! And he is seriously frustrated about it. Threw his racket, barked at the umpire, Roger was ornery tonight. I personally don’t care if he wins Cincy except for a bit if a confidence boost. I want the us open which there for the taking. Roger’s got to find his form or Murray will take him down here and then be much more confidant at the us open than we want him to be. I’m biting my nails. Geez.

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  17. Maybe just maybe that disrespect from the umpire at 3:3 in the 3rd created the turning point that Roger needed. Vily is right, it was really only from there that Roger played very well not the whole set. Ru-an, this was not a quality match but it was a very very interesting one. I could seriously see it going either way with Murray. If Roger doesn’t lift his game Murray will wreck him. But Roger hasn’t played really well since Wimbledon and he could have just turned the corner. I think it’s possible he could come out with a lot of fire. Manoman could really go either way.

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