Djokovic and Federer Drawn in Same World Tour Finals Group

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The World Tour Finals groups were drawn yesterday and it was nice to see that Djokovic and Federer got drawn in the same group. It would have been nice if Nadal was drawn in the Stan Smith group with them, but I can’t complain.

Instead, Nadal is with Murray and Stan in the Ilie Nastase group which will be the most interesting group in terms of who will qualify for the semi-finals. You would think that Djokovic and Federer are the favorites to qualify in the first group.

In the second group, there is no telling who will qualify between Murray, Stan, and Nadal. Even Ferrer could surprise as he has before. Some people seem to have already written off Nadal’s chances to qualify and have assumed that it will be Murray and Stan.

I think this is a mistake. The courts are slow and Nadal has made two World Tour Finals finals while neither Murray nor Stan have made the final. Nadal has also been playing consistently better tennis of late. You can be sure he is highly motivated to pass the group stage.

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The backhand of doom shaping up to inflict maximum devastation

In the end I think the groups are well-balanced with the exciting Djokerer matchup in the first group while Murray, Stan, and Nadal will battle it out in the second group for a semi-final spot. Berdych and Nishikori don’t have much of a say. They are basically just there to fill up the numbers.

The action starts on Sunday which I like and will feature the defending champion and world #1 Djokovic against Nishikori and Federer against Berdych. I don’t expect Djokovic to have any problems while Berdych did play well against Djokovic in Paris and could perhaps trouble Federer.

I am hoping Djokovic and Federer meet twice in this event and preferably Federer and Nadal as well. Ideally I want to see Djokovic vs Stan and Federer vs Nadal in the semi-finals. But Djokovic vs Nadal and Federer vs Stan in the semis would be just as good.

Let me know what you think about the groups and who you think will pass the group stage. Looking forward to the grand finale!

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  1. Hi, Charlie here, sorry I haven’t been posting much lately but I have been following the tennis nonetheless. Djokovic just looks unstoppable at the moment, he is surely the favourite in every single event he plays now. Obviously that doesn’t mean he will win everything over the next year or two, but he is a clear favourite. There are only four people who can potentially trouble him at the O2 in London, in order from least to most likely I would go Nadal, Stan, Murray and then Federer. From the groups I think Murray and Nadal will qualify from the Ilie Nastase group while Djokovic and Federer will qualify from the Stan Smith group. IMO if Djokovic wins the WTF undefeated he surpasses Federer’s 2006, and I say that as a big Federer fan. If he wins the WTF having lost a match then they are tied IMO, and if he loses I think Federer’s is still ever so slightly better. But regardless, congratulations are in order for Djokovic and his fans on a superb season, and I look forward to continuing to read everyone’s thoughts and feelings on the game in general.

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Hey, Charlie, you are right Djokovic is the favorite for every single event he plays. You could never say that about Federer with Nadal around. But I don’t think it makes the least difference whether Djokovic loses a match or not. I don’t think he will, but as long as he wins the WTF he chalks up a better year than Federer no doubt about it.

    By the current points system, Federer is currently 210 points ahead of Djokovic but Djokovic still has the WTF to come. So he only needs to win two matches to pull ahead of Federer points wise. So really it’s just about winning the WTF.

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    universal123 Reply:

    Yeah it all comes down to that now. About the losing a match thing, I just think that it has a little extra prestige to end the year by winning the 5th biggest tournament in tennis without losing a match. Not a big difference, but difference nonetheless. But there are a lot of factors to take into account as well. Djokovic’s 6 Masters 1000s this year count for a lot. The dominance of some of Federer’s 2006 wins (particularly WB, only one set lost) has to be taken into consideration. Djokovic’s win loss for the year is 78-5, Federer’s was 92-5 which Djokovic obviously cannot surpass. The fact that Djokovic has played the rest of the season after the US Open and not lost a single match yet, and has one of the best records against the top 10 this year ever, must be accounted for. But taking the balance of those factors, I agree that if Novak wins the WTF he will surpass Federer’s 2006, but obviously can’t be ranked above Laver’s 1969 season historically due to the CYGS.

    As for Federer not being the favourite in every event he plays, let me play devil’s advocate here: does Djokovic have any rival to match Nadal on clay from 2005-2008? For the record I completely disagree with this logic, my point is you can’t have it both ways. Either Federer played in a weak era during the first half of his career and Djokovic is now racking up slams in the latter half of his career due to a weak era, or neither of them played in a weak era (in fact I think both eras were stronger than they are credited for being) and we compare them on their achievements. I will make it clear again, I completely disagree with the logic above, I am just making a point, so don’t criticise me for suggesting Djokovic is playing in a weak era, as that is the exact opposite of what I am suggesting.

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    universal123 Reply:

    P.S. I heard about the terrible situation in Paris a couple of days ago and I send my condolences from the UK to anyone reading this who is affected in any way.

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Yes, it is a terrible tragedy. I spent a fair amount of time in Paris when I played tennis in France and I came to love the city so it was a sad day for me.

    But I think it’s wrong that no one mentioned it when 43 people were killed the day before by ISIS in Beirut as if people in Paris is somehow more relevant or important.

    I don’t agree with that.

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    universal123 Reply:

    Apparently the players at the WTF today wore black ribbons in respect, and there is a one minute silence tomorrow at 11am across Europe.

    Your second point is why the news, particularly 24 hour news is annoying. Whenever a news story is breaking, they fixate on it, disregarding everything else for several days. There is not a single bit of time dedicated to anything other than the Paris attacks. Whilst that is tragic and clearly a major story, you are right that many other stories need to be communicated as well. Online news is generally better, as they can’t just fill an entire website worth of articles with the exact same story, so you do see other stories.

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    Ru-an Reply:

    It’s the mainstream media of the west. They are notorious brainwashers and frauds. I don’t take them seriously and neither should any intelligent person.

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    Ru-an Reply:

    So you are suggesting Djokovic is playing in a strong era? I agree. About Nadal and the ‘weak’ Federer era, I don’t think there is any conflict. You can’t say Federer’s era is useless because Nadal was there, but it was also at the beginning of Nadal’s career. As soon as he improved and hit his prime he started beating Federer everywhere.

    And yes Djokovic played Nadal in his prime on clay so he maybe even had a stronger rival on clay than Federer did. The difference is he eventually overcame him while Federer never did.

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    universal123 Reply:

    Emphatic statement of intent today from Federer and Djokovic. Djokovic by annihilating Nishikori, and Federer overcoming a few initial problems to easily dispatch Berdych in the end. I see little chance for either of them to qualify if this form continues. There was also an insane drop shot return of serve from Federer which I saw, and as a club-level player myself it is difficult enough to hit a drop shot return off of a slow second serve, let alone a high topspin kick serve going at 70-80 mph or more. Unfortunately the mental side of the game lets him down a little (only a little, but it looks bad compared to the other great players), otherwise he would be the undisputed GOAT for sure. If someone in the future ever combines the athleticism and mental toughness of Djokovic with Federer’s sheer shotmaking talent, that would be truly special to watch.

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    Ru-an Reply:

    Well, they say hard work beats talent, which was the case with Fedal. I say hard work and talent beats both, which is the case with Djokovic.

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